Does a GLOBAL FLOOD truly seem like the BEST explanation for seashells on mountains?

[TheBear]

Are those beaches made out of hundreds of feet of fossil bearing limestone from a single year of deposition?

How does a flood put fossils into the MIDDLE of moutains. That is the real question.

Maybe a flood created the mountains? Or, maybe the Flood created the mountains?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

As virtually all of the earth's surface reveals either a marine history or a history of large surface flooding events, events which probably altered evidence from previous floods, I don't see how one can make sense of any of it.

 

[RickG]

As virtually all of the earth's surface reveals either a marine history or a history of large surface flooding events, events which probably altered evidence from previous floods, I don't see how one can make sense of any of it.

An introductory geology textbook or even a physical geography textbook will help clear things.

 

[RickG]

I'll ask a question.

What's the difference in how a mountain ornamented with sea shells would look, if the mountain rose up from below, as opposed to water receding?

Some see sea shells and say the water went down; others see sea shells and say the mountain rose up.

What's the difference?

If there were a flood that covered a mountain, there would be no sea shell there. Stuff doesn't wash up hill.

 

[AV1611VET]

If there were a flood that covered a mountain, there would be no sea shell there. Stuff doesn't wash up hill.

For the record, that might be true, but this was no ordinary flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If there was a worldwide flood there would be a thin veneer of fossils around the world.

That is not what we see. We see coral reefs thousands of feet thick. Since the vertical growth of coral beds alone is a fraction of an inch a year there alone many millions of years are represented.

 

[AV1611VET]

If there was a worldwide flood there would be a thin veneer of fossils around the world.

That is not what we see.

Keep looking.

 

[RickG]

For the record, that might be true, but this was no ordinary flood.

Stick to the science, please.

 

[AV1611VET]

Stick to the science, please.

Why? so the OP can get away with ridiculing YECs for their beliefs?

If you guys can shake science in the faces of YECs, can YECs shake the Bible in yours?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Keep looking.

Once again AVET, we do not see a thin veneer of fossils.

We see thousands of feet to miles of fossils. So it does not matter how hard we look, we will not see a thin veneer of fossils.

Your claim is like telling someone to look for a trace of dust in a room filled with dirt.

If the flood story were true we would not see a thick layer of fossils. We would see only the thin veneer. We already see the thick layer that means the thin veneer is out of the question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why? so the OP can get away with ridiculing YECs for their beliefs?

If you guys can shake science in the faces of YECs, can YECs shake the Bible in yours?

Why shouldn't we ridicule YEC's for their beliefs?

How would you treat an adult who insisted that there was an Easter Bunny? Would you respect his beliefs? Seriously?

 

[RickG]

Why? so the OP can get away with ridiculing YECs for their beliefs?

There is nothing wrong with the YECs beliefs. What is wrong is the deliberate misrepresentation of science. Remember the 9th commandment.

If you guys can shake science in the faces of YECs, can YECs shake the Bible in yours?

The bible is for the apologetics forums, not the science forums.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible is for the apologetics forums, not the science forums.

When I see you apply this across the board, Rick, then I'll even begin to give it some weight.

When you sit silently by while a shrewdness of tongue-speaking paraphrasers starts thread after thread in your precious science forums and routinely calls YECs out on the carpet, then don't whine about the Bible when others defend themselves with It.

I feel for YECs -- I really do.

They've got their own brothers and sisters committing the sin of variance against them on their left, keeping their tongue-speaking mouths shut about what scientists say; while they've got a shrewdness of scientists on their right trying to sound efficacious against the Bible, keeping their mutant mouths shut about what Bible paraphrasers say.

And all the time they get reminded about the 9th commandment, and how ignorant they are, and how they should read this book, or than link, and on and on and on.

You guys remind me of this passage ...

Luke 23:11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
Luke 23:12 And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

What makes you any less of an ... ironist ... than PGProtector or USincognito, who rail about zombie threads, but don't say one word about Netiquette when others yell at YECs in large font and bolding?

You all belong in a zoo, in my opinion -- as much as you talk about what you are.

 

[JustMeSee]

When I see you apply this across the board, Rick, then I'll even begin to give it some weight.

When you sit silently by while a shrewdness of tongue-speaking paraphrasers starts thread after thread in your precious science forums and routinely calls YECs out on the carpet, then don't whine about the Bible when others defend themselves with It.

I feel for YECs -- I really do.

They've got their own brothers and sisters committing the sin of variance against them on their left, keeping their tongue-speaking mouths shut about what scientists say; while they've got a shrewdness of scientists on their right trying to sound efficacious against the Bible, keeping their mutant mouths shut about what Bible paraphrasers say.

And all the time they get reminded about the 9th commandment, and how ignorant they are, and how they should read this book, or than link, and on and on and on.

You guys remind me of this passage ...

Luke 23:11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
Luke 23:12 And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

What makes you any less of an ... ironist ... than PGProtector or USincognito, who rail about zombie threads, but don't say one word about Netiquette when others yell at YECs in large font and bolding?

You all belong in a zoo, in my opinion -- as much as you talk about what you are.

Don't sweat the small stuff. Since you agree that YEC'ism is wrong, you shouldn't be so offended by proxy.

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There is no evidence for a global flood, and seashells in mountains are due to plate tectonics and uplift. This is just another YEC PRATT.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

An introductory geology textbook or even a physical geography textbook will help clear things.

I've done better than that by reading actual geological surveys. Within a few minutes my head hurts so bad I have to stop.

 

[Split Rock]

I feel for YECs -- I really do.

They've got their own brothers and sisters committing the sin of variance against them on their left, keeping their tongue-speaking mouths shut about what scientists say; while they've got a shrewdness of scientists on their right trying to sound efficacious against the Bible, keeping their mutant mouths shut about what Bible paraphrasers say.

Yet, you have no problem railing against theistic evolutionists here and telling them not to let the door hit them on the way out.

And all the time they get reminded about the 9th commandment, and how ignorant they are, and how they should read this book, or than link, and on and on and on.

The reason they get reminded about the 9th commandment is that they tend to have no problem making stories up about others and calling them liars, frauds and cheats. They also tend to have no problem repeating the lies of professional creationists, and don't even care if they are lies.

The reason they are called ignorant, is that they often debate about topics they do not understand in the slightest, like genetics, geology and paelontology.

Sometimes a duck is a duck.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yet, you have no problem railing against theistic evolutionists here and telling them not to let the door hit them on the way out.

When they join hands with atheists and scientist here against the YECs, you are correct.

And the Fab Four who recently showed up here in the spirit of Sam Kinison to rail against those who don't think like they do are a little rich for my blood; but they do reinforce my belief that Herod & Pilate can unite at times against God's people who don't think like they think they should.

Also, it's interesting in a sad sort of way, when Christians sit in the background and say nothing, while atheists go so far as to blaspheme God to lambaste YECs.

It's a free country, though.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Also, it's interesting in a sad sort of way, when Christians sit in the background and say nothing, while atheists go so far as to blaspheme God to lambaste YECs.

Why should you care what others may say about your god concept?

 

[RickG]

When I see you apply this across the board, Rick, then I'll even begin to give it some weight.

I do apply science across the board. I don't discuss apologetics in the science forums.

When you sit silently by while a shrewdness of tongue-speaking paraphrasers starts thread after thread in your precious science forums and routinely calls YECs out on the carpet, then don't whine about the Bible when others defend themselves with It.

The one doing the whining is you, which is always off topic.

 

[createdtoworship]

Flood explanation

It seems that the only way to explain Devils Tower is to allow for the rapid erosion of the High Plains sedimentary rocks by a wide sheet of flowing water, leaving behind an erosional remnant of the lava conduit. This is consistent with sheet flow erosion as the floodwater was draining off the continent.9,10 The Tower remained tall after the Flood probably because the rock from the Tower was more resistant and/or the current erosion rates were reduced in the area.

Floods typically leave behind erosional remnants. For instance, the Lake Missoula flood in the upper Grand Coulee eroded through 275 m of basalt lava in a matter of days. In the middle of the Upper Grand Coulee lies a 275 m erosional remnant left after the flood,11 called Steamboat Rock (figure 5).

Figure 6 is a schematic of what should happen to Devils Tower if High Plains erosion occurred over millions of years in the uniformitarian paradigm, based on what we know of present erosion rates. In contrast, figure 7 is a schematic of erosion expected during Flood runoff, leaving behind a tall, little eroded, vertical tower that has not decreased in size much since it was exposed. Clearly, the Flood paradigm better fits the evidence.

above article from:

Devils Tower can be explained by floodwater runoff