Do your best to explain Romans 5

[redleghunter]

Was the sacrifice Aaron did for the whole of Israel or not?

Lev 16
16 Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.
18 Then he shall go out to the altar that isbefore the LORD and make atonement for it, and shall take some of the blood of the bull and some of the blood of the goat, and put it on the horns of the altar all around.
19 And he shall sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it and consecrate it from the uncleannesses of the people of Israel.

I answered this several times. For some reason you are not addressing my comments on the Covenant.

 

[redleghunter]

Actually, I don't believe in covering over sins, I believe in real deliverance of sins, which is given those that has Jesus as Lord.

Will those put in the Lake of Fire be delivered from their sins?

I ask, because if the atonement is universal there should be no humans in the Lake of Fire.

 

[FineLinen]

Will those put in the Lake of Fire be delivered from their sins?

I ask, because if the atonement is universal there should be no humans in the Lake of Fire.

 

[FineLinen]

The great, great loss that emanates from Adam 1 in making all mankind sinners (not just sinners, broken sinners with a nature of sin) is met by the Lord of glory, as the Last Adam, whose mighty purpose is to make the same rascals (the polus) "righteous". As for the Lake radiating with theion, the breathe of Jehovah, His breath has dramatic results!

 

[FineLinen]

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the...

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.

Romans 11:36=

ta pavnte/ ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming."

It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta

The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.

The prefix "re" means back again, again, anew--and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.

In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

 

[mark kennedy]

Sorry for my post about how I hate Calvinism. It's actually more of a sorrow for that teaching than of hate. And like I said, It's not you guys I hate, but I do feel sorrow that you are entangled in it.

I know practically nothing about the theology you call "Covenant theology". It's actually the first time I hear it's name.

Calvinism is the old school Reformation theology developed early in the Protestant Reformation. I identify with it because of the unwaivering convictions regarding justification by grace through faith alone. Mark well and understand thar word 'alone' is spring loaded and inextricably linked to all the distinctives in Calvinist thought. Covenant theology appears to be a lot like dispensationalism, involved in end time studies. Dispensationalists believe in a pretribulation rapture and covenant theology relates to a late tribulation rapture. That's the only way I've seen those areas of thought applied.

I have long searched for the theological undercurrent of Christian theology so I've developed an interest in the old school thing across a broad scale of Christian thinking. Calvinism while a bit extreme in some respects is solid theologically.

 

[mark kennedy]

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the...

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.

Romans 11:36=

ta pavnte/ ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming."

It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta

The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.

The prefix "re" means back again, again, anew--and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.

In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

I don't know the context of this post or the point your trying to make but very interesting.

 

[FineLinen]

I don't know the context of this post or the point your trying to make but very interesting.

The context is Romans chapter 11, and ta panta is the strongest word for all in Canon: literally "the all"

"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."

 

[1213]

One chapter I've been reading maybe more than any other chapter in the Bible, that is Romans 5. Since it's a description of the atonement, it's a very central chapter of the Bible. Do your best to explain the whole, or just a part of Romans 5. ..

I think the point is, Jesus, by how he lived and by what he said, gave us the way to become righteous.

But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13

 

[mark kennedy]

The context is Romans chapter 11, and ta panta is the strongest word for all in Canon: literally "the all"

"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."

Oh now that's exquisite. I'll have to look into it, love the transendace in the concept here. Just a heads up, your drifting into metaphysics here. The substantive element that transcends reality. I really did like your post, seems like you've studied a little. Looking forward to seeing more of this. Feel free to elaborate at will, there will be at least one interested observer.

 

[FineLinen]

Oh now that's exquisite. I'll have to look into it, love the transendace in the concept here. Just a heads up, your drifting into metaphysics here. The substantive element that transcends reality. I really did like your post, seems like you've studied a little. Looking forward to seeing more of this. Feel free to elaborate at will, there will be at least one interested observer.

If I spend much more time on Christian threads I will drift into full blown insanity; phooey on metaphysics! You are correct, I have studied "a little" in my walk in this world. I however need much more than study, much much more. I am glad you liked my post on ta pante. It is the basis for much of what Abba has disclosed in other phases of His appearing. Think expansion!

 

[mark kennedy]

If I spend much more time on Christian threads I will drift into full blown insanity; phooey on metaphysics! You are correct, I have studied "a little" in my walk in this world. I however need much more than study, much much more. I am glad you liked my post on ta pante. It is the basis for much of what Abba has disclosed in other phases of His appearing. Think expansion!

Metaphysics is really nothing more then transcedance, good theology is almost pure transcedace btw. My warning was that it's philosophical so you have to mind the terminology, subtle variations in the wording can have dramatic effect. My thing has always been Bible study but I indulge an active interest in theology and it's intellectual cousin metaphysics.

 

[FineLinen]

Metaphysics is really nothing more then transcedance, good theology is almost pure transcedace btw. My warning was that it's philosophical so you have to mind the terminology, subtle variations in the wording can have dramatic effect. My thing has always been Bible study but I indulge an active interest in theology and it's intellectual cousin metaphysics.

Wonderful! And enjoy.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

those born in adam die and those born in Christ live.

it's why Jesus told people they have to be born again.

 

[mark kennedy]

Wonderful! And enjoy.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

those born in adam die and those born in Christ live.

it's why Jesus told people they have to be born again.

True, in Adam all die but in Christ all live. Not really sure how people miss the qualifier, I'm Christ', salvation is not applied otherwise.

 

[John tower]

You then believe "all men" means all mankind? I know Calvinists would disagree...

Acts 13(48): AS MANY as were ordained unto eternal believed : and no one else : not open to all !!!

 

[faroukfarouk]

@LadyCrosstalk : Yes, Hebrews 12.29 is a solemn verse: "for our God is a consuming fire. ".

 

[corinth77777]

@LadyCrosstalk : Yes, Hebrews 12.29 is a solemn verse: "for our God is a consuming fire. ".

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[faroukfarouk]

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So have you read Romans right through?