Do Your Best, and Jesus Makes Up For the Rest

[jimmyjimmy]

Nowhere does it say to keep the law perfectly. This is a straw man for all faith alone proponents.

Disobedience is imperfect obedience.

 

[amariselle]

Sure they were under the OT law, and they kept the it blamelessly, and were righteous under the law.

And one other thing, they BELIEVED also.

So tell us, how is it you believe no one was righteous, not even one? I found two easily.

So they were completely sinless then?

 

[EmSw]

You completely missed the point.

The point is, and I've heard this from 'faith alone' proponents, if you don't have works following your faith, it is dead and a dead faith does not save. What is your point? Perhaps you believe a dead faith saves.

 

[EmSw]

Disobedience is imperfect obedience.

Why do you want to make things up? I said you will not find anywhere to keep the law perfectly. Yet, you keep feeding this straw man. Why?

 

[EmSw]

So they were completely sinless then?

Do you accuse them and find blame? Or, do you believe what is written?

Paul even said he was blameless concerning the righteous in the law.

Philippians 3:6
concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

 

[disciple1]

So, you are resting your hope in your ability to perfectly obey the entire law?

No you misunderstand me, just like you do the bible, I'm trusting in Jesus's example of love, and so I try to love, as Jesus does, I know I can't do it perfectly, but I can love.
If your relying on faith alone your lost, because if it doesn't express itself in love, it's worthless.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[EmSw]

So they were completely sinless then?

amariselle, I found this from Strong's about blameless -

blameless, deserving no censure, free from fault or defect

Why do you find blame with Zechariah and Elizabeth, or Paul for that matter?

 

[Hammster]

The point is, and I've heard this from 'faith alone' proponents, if you don't have works following your faith, it is dead and a dead faith does not save. What is your point? Perhaps you believe a dead faith saves.

No, I don't.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No you misunderstand me, just like you do the bible, I'm trusting in Jesus's example of love, and so I try to love, as Jesus does, I know I can't do it perfectly, but I can love.
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So, Jesus is your moral example? Is that His role?

 

[EmSw]

No, I don't.

Since you don't believe a dead faith saves, what do you think a dead faith is?

Want me to help you out?

 

[EmSw]

So, Jesus is your moral example? Is that His role?

Is Jesus not your example, and you follow Him?

 

[Hammster]

Since you don't believe a dead faith saves, what do you think a dead faith is?

Want me to help you out?

A said faith. That's what James is talking about.

 

[EmSw]

A said faith. That's what James is talking about.

A what faith? That's a new one Hammster; I've never heard that before. Care to explain what a said faith is?

 

[amariselle]

Do you accuse them and find blame? Or, do you believe what is written?

Paul even said he was blameless concerning the righteous in the law.

Philippians 3:6
concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Who's accusing anyone? All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

It's Biblical. If anyone thinks they are earning their way into Heaven, they are sadly mistaken. God's standard is absolute perfection, only Christ has achieved that. It's either grace or works, not both.

 

[EmSw]

Who's accusing anyone? All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

It's Biblical. If anyone thinks they are earning their way into Heaven, they are sadly mistaken. God's standard is absolute perfection, only Christ has achieved that. It's either grace or works, not both.

So, were Zachariah and Elizabeth blameless? If so, please tell us how?

 

[danstribe]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

Love as best you can and that is true, if you don't love, I believe your lost, even if you say the sinners prayer and go to church.


Matthew chapter 15 verse 8
"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

I like your post but I need to add that the entire law is summed up in two commands; Love the Lord your God with all of your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason, you just gave the taboo passages of grace proponents. They NEVER want to discuss what grace teaches us. It funny they do not believe grace and works co-exist with each other, but the verses from Titus teach otherwise.

Yes, my friend. I agree. Also, Ephesians 5:25-27 and Titus 2:14 gives us the reason why Christ gave (died) for us. It was for the purpose so as to make us holy, blameless, without spot, and zealous of good works. This is the full and complete gospel or the meat of the Word they will not accept.


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[amariselle]

So, were Zachariah and Elizabeth blameless? If so, please tell us how?

You're the one that said it. How about you explain what you were getting at?

 

[EmSw]

You're the one that said it. How about you explain what you were getting at?

No my friend, the Bible says that. Do you believe they were righteous? Do you believe they were blameless?

 

[amariselle]

amariselle, I found this from Strong's about blameless -

blameless, deserving no censure, free from fault or defect

Why do you find blame with Zechariah and Elizabeth, or Paul for that matter?

I have absolutely no idea why you keep accusing me of blaming anyone.

Also, you are the one who brought up Zechariah and Elizabeth, I never even mentioned them.