Do you think that your pets will go to Heaven?

[U.2.K. Tha Greatest]

No animals do not go to heaven. The animals who have died are dead , that's it.

 

[ChristFollowers]

No animals do not go to heaven. The animals who have died are dead , that's it.

If that is true.....why does the Bible say they are in Heaven???

 

[U.2.K. Tha Greatest]

Alright if the bible says it , post it up. You know if you can, but im pretty sure you cant. Next...........

 

[Bob Moore]

Check my post #80 in this thread.

I want to believe it as much as anyone, but I can't support it from Scripture. Quite the contrary, in fact. The fact that animals are depicted in heaven in several passages can not be taken to mean that our specific pets are among them.

 

[ChristFollowers]

Alright if the bible says it , post it up. You know if you can, but im pretty sure you cant. Next...........

OK....how about Isiah 11:6-9. A child will play near a Cobra's hole in God's Holy Mountain. Matter a fact...read Isiah 11:6-8 stills speaks of animals in God's Holy Mountain...I would assume Holy Mountain isnt earth....might be Heaven, dont you think????

Isiah 65: 25....If you read Isiah 66:22 it says God's chosen people will live in the Heaven and following that it speaks of ALOT of animals in Heaven in Isiah 65:25.

Do you think the word "creatures" in the Bible portray animals? If so Revelation 5: 13 says animals are praising God. But I would assume you would think those "creatures" are "humans" right?? But Im not sure either so I am not going to say that is man or animal.

If animals were in te Garden of Eden....do you think they will be in Heaven? Garden of Eden was a Holy place without sin until man missed it up.

 

[ChristFollowers]

Check my post #80 in this thread.

I want to believe it as much as anyone, but I can't support it from Scripture. Quite the contrary, in fact. The fact that animals are depicted in heaven in several passages can not be taken to mean that our specific pets are among them.

I wasnt talken about that verse if you were referring to me. That verse says NO man knows where the soul of a man or animal goes. Unless you put in into "your" own words..then it means something totally different.

Anyways......Garden of Eden was a place without sin and animals were there. What makes you think they are not in Heaven? Revelations speak of alot of "creatures" in Heaven, right?? Are those creatures humans? Another name for us humans? I wouldnt think so...but then again anything is possible.

 

[Bob Moore]

I wasnt talken about that verse if you were referring to me. That verse says NO man knows where the soul of a man or animal goes. Unless you put in into "your" own words..then it means something totally different.

That is not what it says. "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" Having previously made the point that the bodies of both man and beast return to the dust Solomon goes on to ask who knows the spirit? Man knows his own soul fairly well, but not his spirit, neither does he know the spirit of the animal. The position of the church on this passage has always been (as far as I can determine) that the spirit of the animal is dissolved at death.

Anyways......Garden of Eden was a place without sin and animals were there. What makes you think they are not in Heaven? Revelations speak of alot of "creatures" in Heaven, right?? Are those creatures humans? Another name for us humans? I wouldnt think so...but then again anything is possible.

I have never said that there are no animals in heaven. What I have said, and am saying, is that we have no scriptural support for supposing that our specific pets will be there. It may well be (and I hope it is) that God does indeed make provision for them. It would be consistant with His nature to do so, but that does not mean that He has.

 

[ChristFollowers]

That is not what it says. "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" Having previously made the point that the bodies of both man and beast return to the dust Solomon goes on to ask who knows the spirit? Man knows his own soul fairly well, but not his spirit, neither does he know the spirit of the animal. The position of the church on this passage has always been (as far as I can determine) that the spirit of the animal is dissolved at death.



I have never said that there are no animals in heaven. What I have said, and am saying, is that we have no scriptural support for supposing that our specific pets will be there. It may well be (and I hope it is) that God does indeed make provision for them. It would be consistant with His nature to do so, but that does not mean that He has.

OK...I get what you are saying. But no one knows if an animal will be in Heaven or not. No one truly knows if the spirit of an animal will dissolved at death. Doesnt say this in the Bible...so I really understand why anyone would believe this...that verse doesnt even support that claim. What church are you talking about? I have never heard that an animal spirit will dissolved at death. That is very interesting to hear...I have never heard that in my life and I was raised in a Christian household...sometimes I went to a Jewish church because my father is Hebrew. But this is my first time hearing something like that. If that is true...why were they in the Garden of Eden?

BTW....Just because a Church has a "position" on something doesnt mean it's correct.

 

[Bob Moore]

OK...I get what you are saying. But no one knows if an animal will be in Heaven or not. No one truly knows if the spirit of an animal will dissolved at death. Doesnt say this in the Bible...so I really understand why anyone would believe this...that verse doesnt even support that claim.

Actually, it does. Solomon thought so, and God permitted him to say so. That carries a lot of weight. For whom did God execute His plan of salvation? Mankind. That the whole of creation was ruined because of us is a peripheral issue. God will restore the creation, but it is His people who have the sonship, not the animals.

What church are you talking about? I have never heard that an animal spirit will dissolved at death. That is very interesting to hear...I have never heard that in my life and I was raised in a Christian household...sometimes I went to a Jewish church because my father is Hebrew. But this is my first time hearing something like that. If that is true...why were they in the Garden of Eden?

It is the position of the church because it is the position of the Bible as seen in Solomon's statement. Let me cite some highly regarded commentary for you:

Ecc 3:21 - Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward?.... There is indeed a difference between a man and a beast; though they have one breath, they have not one spirit or soul; man has a rational and immortal soul, which, when he dies, goes upwards to God that gave it; to be judged by him, and disposed of by him, in its proper apartment, until the day of the resurrection of the body;

and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? when the beast dies, its spirit goes down to the earth, from whence it came, and is resolved into it, and is no more. But who is it that sees, or can see and know with the eyes of his body, the difference of these two spirits, or the ascent of the one, and the descent of the other?, Or who knows by the dint of reason, by the strength of his own understanding, without a divine revelation, that man has an immortal soul which goes upwards at death, when that of a beast goes downwards? No man, clearly and fully, as appears from the doubts and half faith of the wisest Heathens concerning it: or rather who knows and considers this difference between the spirit of a man and the spirit of a beast, and thinks within himself what a precious and immortal soul he has, and is concerned for the salvation of it? Very few; and hence it is they live and die like beasts, as they do. The Midrash interprets this of the souls of the righteous that go up to heaven, and of the souls of the wicked that go down to hell.[/b]

BTW....Just because a Church has a "position" on something doesnt mean it's correct.

Well said. The church, being full of men, has been known to err. Not often, but it does happen.

 

[ChristFollowers]

Actually, it does. Solomon thought so, and God permitted him to say so. That carries a lot of weight. For whom did God execute His plan of salvation? Mankind. That the whole of creation was ruined because of us is a peripheral issue. God will restore the creation, but it is His people who have the sonship, not the animals.



It is the position of the church because it is the position of the Bible as seen in Solomon's statement. Let me cite some highly regarded commentary for you:

Ecc 3:21 - Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward?.... There is indeed a difference between a man and a beast; though they have one breath, they have not one spirit or soul; man has a rational and immortal soul, which, when he dies, goes upwards to God that gave it; to be judged by him, and disposed of by him, in its proper apartment, until the day of the resurrection of the body;

and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? when the beast dies, its spirit goes down to the earth, from whence it came, and is resolved into it, and is no more. But who is it that sees, or can see and know with the eyes of his body, the difference of these two spirits, or the ascent of the one, and the descent of the other?, Or who knows by the dint of reason, by the strength of his own understanding, without a divine revelation, that man has an immortal soul which goes upwards at death, when that of a beast goes downwards? No man, clearly and fully, as appears from the doubts and half faith of the wisest Heathens concerning it: or rather who knows and considers this difference between the spirit of a man and the spirit of a beast, and thinks within himself what a precious and immortal soul he has, and is concerned for the salvation of it? Very few; and hence it is they live and die like beasts, as they do. The Midrash interprets this of the souls of the righteous that go up to heaven, and of the souls of the wicked that go down to hell.[/b]



Well said. The church, being full of men, has been known to err. Not often, but it does happen.

Just because "we" have the sonship still doesnt mean animals are not in Heaven. Jesus had a "better" sonship with God than us humans, right?

That statement in the Bible was a question...did you notice the question mark? It asking something...not telling.. It's saying "who knoweth the spirit of a man that goeth upward?" Also it says at the end of that verse no one knows the future...implying that could have been a question.

Before that verse in Ecc. 3: 19 it says God test people to show them they are just like animals. It says they both have the same breath and they both die.

 

[ChristFollowers]

Also in Ecc. 3: verse 20 says.......both end up the same way; both came from dust and both will go back to dust.

But I would love to hear how you interpret this statement. What do you think that means??? The flesh of both? If the flesh of both go back to the dust.....the souls and spirit of both has to go somewhere else. Because the beggining of that verse says........."God test man to show him that humans are just like animals" and "the same thing happens to animals and people"

 

[Bob Moore]

Just because "we" have the sonship still doesnt mean animals are not in Heaven.

How many time do I have to say the same thing? Once more:The fact that there are animals in heaven does not necessairily mean that they are our specific pets, or, for that matter, that they are even animals who have at some time lived on earth. That is not a difficult concept to grasp.

That statement in the Bible was a question...did you notice the question mark? It asking something...not telling.. It's saying "who knoweth the spirit of a man that goeth upward?" Also it says at the end of that verse no one knows the future...implying that could have been a question.

Did you even read the exegesis I supplied?

Before that verse in Ecc. 3: 19 it says God test people to show them they are just like animals. It says they both have the same breath and they both die.

Yes. So? The exegesis I gave you deals with that point when it points out that though we and they have one breath, and both return to the dust, we do not have the same spirit.

 

[ChristFollowers]

How many time do I have to say the same thing? Once more:The fact that there are animals in heaven does not necessairily mean that they are our specific pets, or, for that matter, that they are even animals who have at some time lived on earth. That is not a difficult concept to grasp.



Did you even read the exegesis I supplied?



Yes. So? The exegesis I gave you deals with that point when it points out that though we and they have one breath, and both return to the dust, we do not have the same spirit.

OH....not our "specific" pets. Where did you come to that conclusion? God made all animals....all animals soul or spirit goes to the same place...I would assume since they didn't commit a sin and are totally innoccent, but I could be wrong. Animals are Gods. A God that just lets animals "sufffer" on earth and then dissolves just like that?

In regards to your other statement......Maybe aliens will be in Heaven. Maybe not humans like us. Maybe the Bible was talking about a different mankind in Heaven.........

 

[U.2.K. Tha Greatest]

There are angels in heaven, and Jesus Christ is in heaven, GOD is in heaven(duh it's his foundation), and satan was in heaven , but there is no mention of animals in heaven. Animals are also call creatures(bible term), there are only one type of animals ,and that is animals that was created here on earth. That's it. There is no mention that animals go to heaven after they die. Yall making up stuff.

 

[U.2.K. Tha Greatest]

There is no proof that animals go to heaven after they die. None, so please.......

 

[Bob Moore]

OH....not our "specific" pets. Where did you come to that conclusion? God made all animals....all animals soul or spirit goes to the same place...I would assume since they didn't commit a sin and are totally innoccent, but I could be wrong. A God that just lets animals "sufffer" on earth and then dissolves just like that?

In regards to your other statement......Maybe aliens will be in Heaven. Maybe not humans like us. Maybe the Bible was talking about a different mankind in Heaven.........

Tell me something. Do you go out of your way to misunderstand a discussion?

A. The basis of this thread was/is whether or not our pets go to heaven.

B. The Bible is not definitive either way.

C. The creation will be made new.

D. Animals are shown during the 1000 years.

E. Man's nature is to want to keep that which he loves.

F. It may very well be that when they are gone, they are gone. You might not like the notion (I don't), but animals belong to God--not you or me--and He may do as He pleases.

G. If there are animals in heaven, there is no sound reason to suppose they
are ours. That is a point of logic. Why do you have to get sarcastic about
something you don't understand?

 

[ChristFollowers]

Tell me something. Do you go out of your way to misunderstand a discussion?

A. The basis of this thread was/is whether or not our pets go to heaven.

B. The Bible is not definitive either way.

C. The creation will be made new.

D. Animals are shown during the 1000 years.

E. Man's nature is to want to keep that which he loves.

F. It may very well be that when they are gone, they are gone. You might not like the notion (I don't), but animals belong to God--not you or me--and He may do as He pleases.

G. If there are animals in heaven, there is no sound reason to suppose they
are ours. That is a point of logic. Why do you have to get sarcastic about
something you don't understand?

The same way you seem to misunderstand a conversation.

I am being sarcastic because I dont understand you? How? What part didnt I understand you about? I understood your whole post. Kind of strange when you said different animals and when I say different humans you dont seem to respond to that. I just flipped the word to show you it made no sense in your last post. Guess you didnt understand what I did.

Personally I would like for them to go to Heaven and I know they will be in Heaven(no doubt about it)....but I could less because we will be worshipping God in Heaven. I doubt that we will be playing with animals or such.

Anyways I didnt say animals were ours.....I said in my post animals are God creatures. They are still God's animals on earth. Read it and you would have known that I said that.

You dont have to get upset or whatever you are just because we disagree about something. That's what makes us unique!

 

[lovemydogs]

The Lord knows how much I love my animals, He knows how important they are to me, as they are my family, I live alone, have no husband, no children, no family that is in my life except for my furchildren, heaven would not be heaven with out my furchildren! I want to go where my dogs go, to be with them eternally in heaven is my prayer. Meet them at the "bridge"

 

[One4Him]

Luke 3:6 ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God

1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of man, another of beast, another of fish, and another of bird.

one more time - ALL flesh shall see the SALVATION of God

Genesis 1: 24-25 God said "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground and wild animals, each according to it's kind and it was so, God made them all creatures, and when he was done God saw that it was GOOD.
James 1:17 Every GOOD and perfect gift is from above.....

If you trust Gods character, and you know he is pleased with the works of his hands, enough to see that "it was GOOD" and is "from above" then it only makes sense that he would provide a way for his created flesh to be in Heaven - since animals can not choose for themselves yet they are in deed of, flesh, I have no doubt that there is a place for them of which they came...... It is the flesh of MAN, who's fate rests on a personal decision, except, I believe, for those who never know that a choice is to be made, like babies or those who never hear the Gospel, as with the animals I trust their lack of knowledge is understood by God and he grants to them his mercy.......


I also believe that bugs fall under the parasite category and will be cast into the firey lake - that's my personal belief!!!

 

[bobbichan]

According to Disney

..All dogs go to Heaven.

Michelle

Actually that was Don Bluth.

I would like to know that my pets are in Heaven. I've lost a lot of cats that I was deeply attached to.

For example, when I was about 9 years old, my cat had kittens and I was really attached to one of them. I would play with him and cuddle with him all the time. When he was about 8 or 9 weeks old, our dog big him and punctured his lung. He ended up dying. This was the first time I had ever experienced death. I cried all day. I remember we were driving somewhere later that day and there were thunderstorm clouds in the distance. Out of the cloud popped out a perfectly proportioned kitty head, with eyes, nose and a mouth in the right spots, and it opened it's eyes and went back into the cloud. I wonder if that was God's way of telling me that it would be okay, and my kitty was in a better place and no longer suffering.

I know it's a bit on the selfish side, but it would be nice to be reunited with my kitties.

Though, I can't wait for the day when I can play and pet a tiger! I've always wanted to do that, but of course, I can't. They're such beautiful animals. =)