This is the equivalent of claiming that Christ's blood has no power over sin...
This is a common straw man.
Nobody is preaching cheap grace, and to live lawlessly without a care.
We have been saved by grace through faith. What now? We pick up our cross and walk. If you want to talk about people who simply profess and go on with their day without a care then thats a different story.
And don't put words in my mouth
But God’s grace does not forgive future sin.
If sin can drag you down, and make you drown (implying spiritual death) then it is not by the OSAS version of God's grace. You have to do something to remove sin from your life so you don't drown. This is why the OSAS message that you are saying here is preaching a double message. On the one hand you say that it is solely by God's grace and yet you contradict yourself and say that you must remove sin otherwise that person can drown.
This is talking about the general atonement made for all of mankind.
Unless you believe in Universal Salvationism, the atonement is applied when we have true faith. True faith starts off in believing and or receiving Jesus as one's Savior (whereby the atonement is applied). But after coming to Jesus by faith, we have to continue in His Word, continue in his love, continue in the faith of obeying Jesus in order for the atonement to continue to be applied to our life. Works of faith are just evidence that a person's faith is true or genuine. James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18). The author of Hebrews says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). Paul says that a person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16). So one has to have the right kind of faith in order for the atonement to be applied.
How can we prove it?
Hebrews 5:9 says,
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"
1 John 1:7 says,
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin."
Poor word choice on my part. I agree. The blood of Christ takes away sin. But there is a cleansing going at some point for 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Meaning, if we love our brother (we abide in the light - See 1 John 2:9-10) (Note: Paul says to love our neighbor is the equivalent of keeping the Moral Law like: Do not murder, do not steal, and do not covet, etc. - See Romans 13:8-10).
In Hebrews 10:4, we learn that the blood of goats and bulls never took away sin. They only temporarily atoned or covered sin because they had to keep revisiting the same PAST sins year after year. But when Jesus came and died for us (giving us the perfect sacrifice) He is able to provide a way that is more perfect in the fact that all our PAST sins are forgiven for good. They are remembered no more.
But if you were to keep reading, this does not include willfully sinning again after receiving the knowledge of the truth.
For Hebrews 10:26 says,
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
So again, a person needs a true faith in order to access the saving grace of God and willfully sinning after receiving the truth is not true faith because there remains no more sacrifice for sin if we willfully sin again.
This is merely a matter of deflection away from the problem of Eternal Security.
The problem is that when an Eternal Security Proponent says that King David was saved while he committed his sins of murder and adultery, they are telling other people that they can be like a David and do these kinds of sins and be saved, too. For if David did it, then they surely can do that, too.
You missed the second half of the verse. It says that you may receive MERCY and FIND GRACE to help us in our time of need. IF mercy and grace was already in our possession there would be no need to approach God's throne and seek out our Heavenly high priest who is Jesus Christ.
"And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" (1 John 2:1).
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)
This is in view that a person is to "sin not" (1 John 2:1) and to walk in the light so as to be cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus (1 John 1:7).
For he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
Jesus said that the Ninevites will rise up in judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah (Matthew 12:41). If you were to turn to Jonah 3:6-10, you would learn that the King of the Ninevites told his people to do two very important things.
(a) Cry out to God (repentance).
(b) Forsake their evil ways (i.e. the fruits of repentance).
Now, when God had seen that they turned from their wicked ways, THAT was the point where God decided not to bring wrath and destroy them anymore and not before. So yeah. The whole "trust in the finished work of Christ alone" for salvation is not something even remotely taught in the Bible. James says we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). For works of faith are merely the proof in the pudding that one's faith in Christ is true.
No, and neither do I believe a professing Christian that gets an abortion was saved to begin with.
Or those who never changed and have God pushed to the side for rare occasions.
For a start I nowhere stated that I believe in OSAS. I don't believe that.
A person can certainly lose their salvation if they persist in rebellious sin.
But where I believe you are wrong, is you are trying to justify your self by your works.
You said:Correct me if I am wrong, but, If you even had the tiniest, minutest sin, you would say you were not saved. You are trying to purge yourself, of every fault to gain faultlessness before God. The problem with that thinking is that you will be living your life in fear, scared to move almost, unless you sin against God,
Jesus himself there is sin that would not be forgiven so I’m. it so sure this is a done deal and all lays in our hands.Jesus forgives all sin when we put our faith in him and confess.
A man is judged when he dies, not before.So David lost his salvation when he committed his sins of adultery and murder and it was restored back to him when he confessed?
I always think it is the lowest of the low for a person to respond to a post that is not a request that they are praying. It is using the prayer icon as an insult. It’s worse than the insults atheists give and is spiritual pride at its worse. Always tells me how low that person will sink when resisting truth. I shouldn’t be surprised. Many believers in God (so they said) have murdered those who they led them Gods truth that wasn’t pleasing.Hope not. You don’t answer questions.
Pride. Same reason they do stones resist truth.Why though? What would compel the Christian to go this route over an attitude of repentance? This is a slippery slope.
Heb 2:14-15 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.
But what is true salvation, it is here summed up:
Gal 5:3-5 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.
It is not our keeping the law that saves us,
You said:it is our abiding in the Holy Spirit. When a person is saved they receive God's Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit works on our desires, making us desire Holy living.We are not as you say justified by our deeds. Rather the Holy Spirit motivates us to good works. He will motivate us to keep His law, for the law is from God. But it is not the law itself that saves us.
After rebuking those who tried to justify people by the law, Paul says:
Gal 5:13-14 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Note Paul says we have freedom, but we are not to use it for opportunity for the flesh. The fact is the one who has the Holy Spirit will avoid the flesh.
1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The bible will certainly say we are not to sin, for as you see in 1 John 3:9 the one who is born of God does not seek to sin.
But it is impossible to be justified by the law for the law can not be 100% kept. Otherwise why would God say:
Gal 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
You said:My version of grace is not a licence to sin, rather it is freedom to not live in fear of our human weakness, whilst growing in obedience to God, and the Holy Spirit, leading us unto obedience where we stumble.
There is a battle between the flesh and the spirit, and the answer to victory lies in seeking God, daily in relationship and prayer.
Mat 26:41 Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
The one who neglects to seek God, is in danger of losing salvation, via being overcome by the flesh, and returning ultimately and finally to the old life.
I think we're at an impasse here. To be "in Christ" that is, baptized into Christ, is to put on Christ. For the mortal to put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:54. We don't put Christ on and take him off everytime we transgress the law. We are born of imperishable seed. 1 Peter 1:23. We are not born, then unborn, then born again, ect. Man is appointed to die once, likewise, he is appointed to be born-again once. If God expected us to conform perfectly to his law then this reduces the magnitude of Christ's atoning sacrifice. I believe God knows we are imperfect creatures and always will be here. I believe Christ's blood does indeed cover future sin for these reasons.
A man is judged when he dies, not before.
Your thinking is really off but I detect this doesn’t occur toI'm not your enemy, but I see that you are not on my side, making yourself my enemy....and I didn't commit a single sin against you. You are extremely deep in the Matrix, where you know not what you are doing or saying. Hardened hearts is the extreme of the emotional matrix. May you wake up as soon as possible and recognize what is taking place and the opportunities you are squandaring.
So atheists are already judged and condemned? Then there is no hope for anyone because the Bible even days we were sinners and by your position already condemned. Condned is final."He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).
"But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth." (1 Timothy 5:6).
If future sin is forgiven you, then it's a license to sin.
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