Do you think Christians sin? If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, Christians sin, but God is not counting our sins against us.

"God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them." 2 Corinthians 5:19

This is talking about the general atonement made for all of mankind.
Unless you believe in Universal Salvationism, the atonement is applied when we have true faith. True faith starts off in believing and or receiving Jesus as one's Savior (whereby the atonement is applied). But after coming to Jesus by faith, we have to continue in His Word, continue in his love, continue in the faith of obeying Jesus in order for the atonement to continue to be applied to our life. Works of faith are just evidence that a person's faith is true or genuine. James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18). The author of Hebrews says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). Paul says that a person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16). So one has to have the right kind of faith in order for the atonement to be applied.

How can we prove it?

Hebrews 5:9 says,
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"

1 John 1:7 says,
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin."

The only sin that Jesus didn't die for is the sin of unbelief in Him. The death of Jesus doesn't cover sin. The death of Jesus took sin away.

Poor word choice on my part. I agree. The blood of Christ takes away sin. But there is a cleansing going at some point for 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Meaning, if we love our brother (we abide in the light - See 1 John 2:9-10) (Note: Paul says to love our neighbor is the equivalent of keeping the Moral Law like: Do not murder, do not steal, and do not covet, etc. - See Romans 13:8-10).

"Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.” And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." Hebrews 10:17-18

In Hebrews 10:4, we learn that the blood of goats and bulls never took away sin. They only temporarily atoned or covered sin because they had to keep revisiting the same PAST sins year after year. But when Jesus came and died for us (giving us the perfect sacrifice) He is able to provide a way that is more perfect in the fact that all our PAST sins are forgiven for good. They are remembered no more.

But if you were to keep reading, this does not include willfully sinning again after receiving the knowledge of the truth.

For Hebrews 10:26 says,
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

So again, a person needs a true faith in order to access the saving grace of God and willfully sinning after receiving the truth is not true faith because there remains no more sacrifice for sin if we willfully sin again.

The question isn't whether or not our sins are a barrier between us and God. The question to ask when we sin is "Why did we choose to sin and not trust our God?" That is when we can experience the benefit of our forgiveness and approach God to find out why we weren't trusting Him.

This is merely a matter of deflection away from the problem of Eternal Security.
The problem is that when an Eternal Security Proponent says that King David was saved while he committed his sins of murder and adultery, they are telling other people that they can be like a David and do these kinds of sins and be saved, too. For if David did it, then they surely can do that, too.

"Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need." Hebrews 4:16

You can't approach God with confidence if your sins are separating you from Him. Rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ and grow in the knowledge of your Lord and Savior.

You missed the second half of the verse. It says that you may receive MERCY and FIND GRACE to help us in our time of need. IF mercy and grace was already in our possession there would be no need to approach God's throne and seek out our Heavenly high priest who is Jesus Christ.

"And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" (1 John 2:1).

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9).

This is in view that a person is to "sin not" (1 John 2:1) and to walk in the light so as to be cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus (1 John 1:7).

For he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

Jesus said that the Ninevites will rise up in judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah (Matthew 12:41). If you were to turn to Jonah 3:6-10, you would learn that the King of the Ninevites told his people to do two very important things.

(a) Cry out to God (repentance).
(b) Forsake their evil ways (i.e. the fruits of repentance).​

Now, when God had seen that they turned from their wicked ways, THAT was the point where God decided not to bring wrath and destroy them anymore and not before. So yeah. The whole "trust in the finished work of Christ alone" for salvation is not something even remotely taught in the Bible. James says we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). For works of faith are merely the proof in the pudding that one's faith in Christ is true.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Certain sins condemn someone because of the state of their heart.

Taking something someone said out of context and ignoring the rest of the statements is never good for anyone.

Murder certainly is a sin that can condemn someone, yet due to the state of his repentant heart David was not only forgiven but called a man after God's heart. It's not a matter of the sin, because we all sin. What matters is that you have a heart for Him and repent, striving never again to commit said sin.

No. David lost his salvation when he committed his sins of murder and adultery.

The Bible says no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

"Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).​

The Bible says whosever commits adultery destroys his own soul.

"But whoso commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).​

Jesus even said that a person can be cast bodily into hell for committing adultery in their heart (See Matthew 5:28-30).

We have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of it (See 1 John 1:9).
This is why we see David confess his sin in Psalms 51.
He was seeking forgiveness.

 

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Yikes! Several years ago after flushing a demon possessed boy out of my 78 year old friends house, I was driving my car home from Arizona to Seattle and found myself being assaulted by an evil spirit that was causing sheer terror, taking me and my body over. Never, never have I been aware that a person could feel this kind of indescribable terror. I was going to either have a heart-attack or an aneurism and explode within my own skull, crashing into the ditch at 60mph. I was filled with the most indescribable terror that I cursed and swore like you wouldn't believe....I was going to die a death of terror. In my agony, I finally realized that God was going to have to save me....and He did. One moment I was cursing and swearing and moments later, after praying desperately for His rescue, I felt His Universal Power that delivered not only my very life, but showed me the greatest peace and love that words cannot describe. This is when I learned that the spirit world is absolutely real, for the evil spirit and God's Spirit found me latitude and longitude. This is when I realized that God uses sinners....each and every single time. Our Powerful, Almighty Creator is reasonable and rational. He understands us far more than we could ever comprehend, He really does, having prepared a righteous path that we cannot possibly fathom in it's entirety.

Jesus calls sinners to repentance (See Luke 5:32).
To see what repentance is, check out my recent post #139.

As for swearing, Jesus says,

33 "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Matthew 12:33-37).

 

[Devin P]

No. David lost his salvation when he committed his sins of murder and adultery.

The Bible says no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

"Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).​

The Bible says whosever commits adultery destroys his own soul.

"But whoso commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).​

Jesus even said that a person can be cast bodily into hell for committing adultery in their heart (See Matthew 5:28-30).

We have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of it (See 1 John 1:9).
This is why we see David confess his sin in Psalms 51.
He was seeking forgiveness.

No he did not. He was a foreshadowing of the Messiah coming into glory when He returns again. He was forgiven, and you can see that when reading through the scripture where the act occurred.

Paul was also a murderer, does he have salvation? Of course he still is saved. Paul even addresses an instance in Corinthians, where a man not only has sex with a married woman, but that married woman is his own mother, and Paul says that such a one should be cast out of the congregation, but that when he fully repents, that he should be brought back in and allowed to continue fellowship.

With repentance, (a change of heart, mind, and action) all sins can be forgiven. So long as you actually repent and stop doing them.

 

[Devin P]

No. David lost his salvation when he committed his sins of murder and adultery.

The Bible says no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

"Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).​

The Bible says whosever commits adultery destroys his own soul.

"But whoso commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).​

Jesus even said that a person can be cast bodily into hell for committing adultery in their heart (See Matthew 5:28-30).

We have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of it (See 1 John 1:9).
This is why we see David confess his sin in Psalms 51.
He was seeking forgiveness.

And by the way, the verse you linked from 1 John, in context he was talking about the seed of God and the seed of the Devil and how they've been made manifest because of Christ dying on the cross.

But, that all throughout history it's been known who was whose seed, based on their actions. Cains actions were wicked, and Abel's were righteous, therefore those that love righteousness are righteous, and those that love wickedness are wicked. So, if you love those doing righteous (your brothers), then you are righteous, and if you practice righteousness, just as Jesus did, then you're righteous as Jesus was righteous, because His works live in you.

It's not saying that if you kill someone you can't enter heaven, it's saying if you love the works of wickedness, you're wicked, but if you love the works of righteousness you're righteous even as Jesus is righteous, because that love of righteousness is proof of whose seed you are.

Everyone slips up from time to time. Granted, murder is a BIG slip up. But, God will still forgive a murderer if they genuinely repent from their murderous ways and turn to live as He calls all of His children to live - according to His will, and His Word.

 

[Thess]

Jesus calls sinners to repentance (See Luke 5:32).
To see what repentance is, check out my recent post #139.

As for swearing, Jesus says,

33 "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Matthew 12:33-37).

Thanks for replying, but you've missed the point of my post as if your heart were hardened and could not understand. I'm sorry.

 

[friend of]

Sorry for being irritable before.

It doesn't matter how one lives because they are forgiven by God's grace and it is not in anything they do. This is what you are failing to grasp. But because you do have a sense of morality and say believers do not act like that, you would be correct.

In this scenario it is most unfortunate that the child was daft and was not prompted to apply himself to work out his salvation.

 

[Tayla]

what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

Mortal sins must be confessed to be forgiven. Mortal sins break our fellowship with God just as Catholics claim.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thanks for replying, but you've missed the point of my post as if your heart were hardened and could not understand. I'm sorry.

I am only responding with the Word of God to what you said. If I did not understand what you were saying, then why didn't you explain it to me? Also, please explain to me with God's Word in how I was wrong in what I said, too.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Mortal sins must be confessed to be forgiven. Mortal sins break our fellowship with God just as Catholics claim.

Believers cannot be out of fellowship with the Lord and be saved.

#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.

#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).

#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

#4. Psalms 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).

#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.

#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Being cleansed of sin is salvation; If you were to contrast this with 1 John 2:4, it says that person who says they know the Lord and does keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. Revelation 21:8 says all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.

#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.

#8. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Corinthians 13:5).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry for being irritable before.

In this scenario it is most unfortunate that the child was daft and was not prompted to apply himself to work out his salvation.

It has nothing to do with being daft. It has everything to do with the message that says a person can be saved by Gods grace and it is in nothing a person does. When you say that, expect some people to take those words seriously and be led to think they can turn God's grace into a license for immorality.

In fact, because you are OSAS, more than likely you believe King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. But if you tell this to people, then they can think they can sin like a King David and be saved, too. His confession was only for restoration of fellowship. But what if a person does not want fellowship and they prefer their sin? That's the problem with the OSAS belief. It seeks to justify sin (Which is wrong).

In fact, what is the difference between George Sodini and King David?
If King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder, then why wasn't George Sodini saved in his sins of mass murder and suicide?

 

[Lost4words]

Do you think Christians sin?
If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

For example: Do you think lying, or cursing, or inappropriate content (lusting), hating, coveting are automatically covered by the blood of Jesus by having a belief alone on Him?

Every single person in the world sins at some point. A slight curse even. A bad look. A bad thought etc etc etc

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No he did not. He was a foreshadowing of the Messiah coming into glory when He returns again. He was forgiven, and you can see that when reading through the scripture where the act occurred.

Paul was also a murderer, does he have salvation? Of course he still is saved. Paul even addresses an instance in Corinthians, where a man not only has sex with a married woman, but that married woman is his own mother, and Paul says that such a one should be cast out of the congregation, but that when he fully repents, that he should be brought back in and allowed to continue fellowship.

With repentance, (a change of heart, mind, and action) all sins can be forgiven. So long as you actually repent and stop doing them.

You prove my case that serious sin is a separation from GOD. David was not restored to a state of forgiveness (i.e. a state of salvation) until He confessed his sins of adultery and murder. But this cannot be just a mere paying of lip service during the whole person's life with no actual change in their life. A person also has to forsake their evil ways in order for God's wrath not to abide on them. Read the story of the Ninevites. The King of the Ninevites told his people to do two very important things:

(a) Cry out unto God (repentance).
(b) Forsake your wicked ways (the fruits of repentance).​

It was until the Ninevites had forsake their evil ways when God decided to not bring wrath or judgment upon the Ninevites.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So it is possible for a Christian to be saved, and then sin and be lost again?
I believe that is possible.
We see it in the Parable of the Prodigal Son and in James 5:19-20.

Correct. Very possible and happens. At times MANY make that choice according to Jesus

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Every single person in the world sins at some point. A slight curse even. A bad look. A bad thought etc etc etc

Right, and the Bible says these things can condemn a person's soul.

Jesus says by your words you can be condemned (See Matthew 12:37).
Jesus says that to look upon a woman in lust is to commit adultery in one's heart and they can be cast bodily into hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).
John says if you hate your brother, you are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).
Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
Jesus mentioned that these commands are the Moral Law like: "Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc."
The lawyer asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life. Jesus asked how does He read it in the Scriptures. The lawyer replied that we are to love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourself. Jesus said, you answered CORRECTly. DO THIS AND you will LIVE. (See Luke 10:25-28).
Granted, a person needs to first accept Jesus as their Savior before they can obey God, but the point here is that loving God and loving your neighbor will lead a person to seeking forgiveness with GOD and in forsaking their evil ways (so that they can walk uprightly).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And by the way, the verse you linked from 1 John, in context he was talking about the seed of God and the seed of the Devil and how they've been made manifest because of Christ dying on the cross.

But, that all throughout history it's been known who was whose seed, based on their actions. Cains actions were wicked, and Abel's were righteous, therefore those that love righteousness are righteous, and those that love wickedness are wicked. So, if you love those doing righteous (your brothers), then you are righteous, and if you practice righteousness, just as Jesus did, then you're righteous as Jesus was righteous, because His works live in you.

It's not saying that if you kill someone you can't enter heaven, it's saying if you love the works of wickedness, you're wicked, but if you love the works of righteousness you're righteous even as Jesus is righteous, because that love of righteousness is proof of whose seed you are.

Everyone slips up from time to time. Granted, murder is a BIG slip up. But, God will still forgive a murderer if they genuinely repent from their murderous ways and turn to live as He calls all of His children to live - according to His will, and His Word.

No. 1 John 3:15 is not about practicing the sin of murder.

Numbers 35:16-18 says that it is only takes one act of murder to be a murderer.
1 John 3:15 says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
Meaning even the murderer who murders one time does not have eternal life abiding in them. 1 John 3:4 says, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law" This is singular and can be also plural. For example: He that commits a traffic violation (sin) also transgresses the law of the land. This can be singular.

So 1 John 3 is not talking exclusively of habitual sin alone.
1 John 3:9 is talking about how if we abide in the seed of Jesus Christ and if we abide in the born again state, we cannot sin. But if we choose to sin of our own free will, we then choose to no longer abide in Christ and our sin is on us and we then associate with the devil's kingdom.

 

[Devin P]

You prove my case that serious sin is a separation from GOD. David was not restored to a state of forgiveness (i.e. a state of salvation) until He confessed his sins of adultery and murder. But this cannot be just a mere paying of lip service during the whole person's life with no actual change in their life. A person also has to forsake their evil ways in order for God's wrath not to abide on them. Read the story of the Ninevites. The King of the Ninevites told his people to do two very important things:

(a) Cry out unto God (repentance).
(b) Forsake your wicked ways (the fruits of repentance).​

It was until the Ninevites had forsake their evil ways when God decided to not bring wrath or judgment upon the Ninevites.

Right, I never said that lip service was the way. Hence me repeatedly saying that if the person repented and changed their ways, they'd be forgiven.

You never answered my question though. Paul was a murder of God's people, even more so than David, was he given forgiveness?

 

[1stcenturylady]

'So how much of ourselves have we turned over to the Spirit which we receive through baptism?'

Wow, just about everyone I know got much, much worse after their baptisms, including me. I turned into an absolute monster and remained that way for 36 years (which is not possible if it is true that God causes us to obey), so the water didn't do anything for me. Later, I did receive Christ in indescribable Power that generated a radical R12-2 experience where I can stand completely transparent to anyone at anytime. I am completely new. Get this, I have not received a second baptism.

[Act 10:47 NLT] 47 "Can anyone object to their being baptized, now that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?"

Peter got things backwards or is this a "one-off"?

 

[Thess]

If I did not understand what you were saying, then why didn't you explain it to me? Also, please explain to me with God's Word in how I was wrong in what I said, too.

My story was powerful enough and I'll let it rest on it's own merrits. No ill-will intended, it's just that I am making powerful points that can stand on their own. I have no time to paraphrase myself unless I feel that I am sincerely being asked. No biggie.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I showed you Scriptural proof that it only takes one sin to separate a person from God. It does not take habitual sin to be separated from God. One murder is all it takes (1 John 3:15).

This has got to be the worse self-contradictory understanding I have ever run into. You would think God hates one sin but many is OK to listen to your positon.

One act of adultery is all it takes (Proverbs 6:32).

[To make a man an adulterer, that is true. But if repented of, forgiveness can be granted relatinships with partner and God restored.

Adam sinned one time and He died spiritually. Ananais and Sapphira died by just one sin.

On both accounts very BIG sins. This you forget. Steal a man's pencil is one thing. Stealing his car or his job or his wife or his baby daughter are not the same thing although all are stealing.

You have to explain how the verses I presented to you are not saying what they are saying.

The verse in Proverbs does not say the adulterer cannot be forgiven.

For me: It is clear that one sin is enough to cause a separation from God. Does that mean we cannot be forgiven again? No. Well, it depends on the sin of course. Most sins are forgivable if we seek to confess them to the Lord with the intention to forsake them. David was NOT saved in his sins in adultery and murder. To say so otherwise is to teach a license for immorality and or to tell others that they can be saved while doing the same thing. David later confessed of his sins to GOD in Psalms 51. If he was saved, there would have been no need to confess of his sins or to say he is sorry. David poured out his soul in Psalms 51. It does not sound like he was a saved person before his confession because his words were seeking forgiveness with God. Don't buy into the lie that sin can cause just a loss of fellowship and yet we are still saved. The Bible does not teach that. It teaches the exact opposite.

I actually do not pretend to make a rule list on what one sin does or does not do for another man's relationship with God. It is really none of my business. I also think setting up these kind of rules that God is supposed to live by in relationship with men is not our business.

Believers cannot be out of fellowship with the Lord and be saved.

Then God is the only one who can decide this. Only God knows when a son or daughter is no longer in fellowship with Him.

#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.

#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).

#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

#4. Psalms 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).

#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.

#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Being cleansed of sin is salvation; If you were to contrast this with 1 John 2:4, it says that person who says they know the Lord and does keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. Revelation 21:8 says all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.

#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.

#8. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Corinthians 13:5).

All scriptures are correct. But for an individual man, it is God who sits in the judgement seat, not us. Only He knows if fellowship and hence salvation is lost.