Do you ever wish?

[Vyrzaharak]

Dear friend, if you are angry with Christians I am sorry. But don't put your trust in Christians and blame them for leading you unto the wrong path for their actions dear friend find out who God is on your own and you tell me whether Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam is "the way" the Bible explicitly tells us facts, it's up to you whether to beleive or not it's not about "knowing" and there is a distinct difference between knowing and beleiving. But ofcourse, the gospel sounds foolish to those who are perishing. The whole point is not to know but to believe to trust. Because God knows. We are not god dear friend

You can ramble all day, but that doesn't make anything you say any more relevant to arguing against my point.

 

[LostChildinTheMidst]

You can ramble all day, but that doesn't make anything you say any more relevant to arguing against my point.

I don't even understand your point, I didn't come on this website to argue this isn't judge Judy this is Christian forums. So whether you want to keep arguing or not i have enough time to prove my point against yours and I would have if your point made sense

 

[Vyrzaharak]

I don't even understand your point, I didn't come on this website to argue this isn't judge Judy this is Christian forums. So whether you want to keep arguing or not i have enough time to prove my point against yours and I would have if your point made sense

Argue = debate = discussion.

If you don't want to argue, then you can just not post. Nobody is forcing you to participate, you choose to do so at your own will. Period.

 

[LostChildinTheMidst]

Argue = debate = discussion.

If you don't want to argue, then you can just not post. Nobody is forcing you to participate, you choose to do so at your own will. Period.

I post for advice from experienced Christian leaders, I came here for the discussion part not the debate part dear friend, I'm sorry that you took the time out of your day to become easily offended . And you're right no one did force me to participate? I don't recall saying anyone did. And isn't it obvious I did it on my own free will? You're just stating the obvious dear friend.

 

[Vyrzaharak]

I post for advice from experienced Christian leaders, I came here for the discussion part not the debate part dear friend, I'm sorry that you took the time out of your day to become easily offended . And you're right no one did force me to participate? I don't recall saying anyone did. And isn't it obvious I did it on my own free will? You're just stating the obvious dear friend.

1. A discussion is a debate. You cannot discuss something if there's unanimous agreement.

2. It's disrespectful of you to assume someone is offended.

 

[ananda]

Even though you explicitly explained what you're asking, they will still confuse the distinction between believing and knowing.

Yes, I find that to be true, unfortunately.

 

[ananda]

Well let's see, I'm not your average Christian. I don't even know if I should call myself a Christian, because I'm still living in darkness (sin.) I've been through so many trials, all of which I have failed. I know this is the truth because the Lord has answered my prayers + there was testimonies I've watched from ex Buddhist monks and muslims who have converted. Christianity is not what it used to be, there's so much confusion and God is not the author of that. I have yet to find out who God is and the only way how is through Jesus Christ. I know this is the truth because the bible has already foretold this would happen.

How do you know that Jesus specifically answered your prayers, and that other factors were not involved? Have you met Jesus? How do you know that the Bible speaks truth?

 

[LostChildinTheMidst]

1. A discussion is a debate. You cannot discuss something if there's unanimous agreement.

2. It's disrespectful of you to assume someone is offended.

I'm sorry that you feel disrespected dear friend

 

[Monna]

It is a flaw. Without Christ, there is no Christianity.

It seems we have been talking past one another.
I am in full agreement that without Christ there would be no Christianity. But I don't see that as a flaw, I see it as self-evident. Christian meant originally "followers of Christ." If he didn't exist they wouldn't have followed him.

Even though you explicitly explained what you're asking, they will still confuse the distinction between believing and knowing.

How can you know anything? How can you definitively prove that you aren't a figment of somebody's imagination ... or that we aren't a figment of yours? It is very difficult for me to understand any definition of knowing that doesn't intrinsically incorporate belief.

 

[ananda]

If he didn't exist they wouldn't have followed him.

We can say that for any other faith system ... "If Zeus didn't exist, disciples of Zeus wouldn't have followed him" etc.

 

[Vyrzaharak]

It seems we have been talking past one another.
I am in full agreement that without Christ there would be no Christianity. But I don't see that as a flaw, I see it as self-evident. Christian meant originally "followers of Christ." If he didn't exist they wouldn't have followed him.

It should be self-evident. What makes it flawed is that there's no chief, self-affirmed principle.

How can you know anything? How can you definitively prove that you aren't a figment of somebody's imagination ... or that we aren't a figment of yours? It is very difficult for me to understand any definition of knowing that doesn't intrinsically incorporate belief.

I think, therefore I am.

 

[Dave-W]

I think, therefore I am.

Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles And miles Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit our Great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

 

[Vyrzaharak]

Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles And miles Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit our Great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

Just because you can make poetry, does not make for dispute.

 

[Dave-W]

Just because you can make poetry, does not make for dispute.

Not my poetry.

It is from The Moody Blues "In the Beginning" on their 1969 album "Threshold of a Dream."

 

[Vyrzaharak]

Not my poetry.

It is from The Moody Blues "In the Beginning" on their 1969 album "Threshold of a Dream."

I'm not surprised.

 

[Dave-W]

I'm not surprised.

I am surprised you did not recognize it.


I frequently make musical references.

 

[Vyrzaharak]

I am surprised you did not recognize it.


I frequently make musical references.

I only joined this webforum two days ago, so...

 

[Monna]

I think, therefore I am

or... You think, therefore you think you are. How do you know that the thoughts in your head are your thoughts .. or that it's your head? Can you prove any of this?

 

[Vyrzaharak]

or... You think, therefore you think you are. How do you know that the thoughts in your head are your thoughts .. or that it's your head? Can you prove any of this?

You can only go so far into that direction before everything else breaks down. It's like the old question: "what's the point of doing anything if everything's predetermined?"

Tell me, are you familiar with Jean-Paul Sartre or Soren Kierkegaard?