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Wine in the area and time period in which the New Testament took place was not grape juice... It was quite alcoholic.
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I've never had wine at all, except what we call New Testament wine (grape juice).
Wine in the area and time period in which the New Testament took place was not grape juice... It was quite alcoholic.
Wine in the area and time period in which the New Testament took place was not grape juice... It was quite alcoholic.
Biblical scholars. There is a profession known as; "biblical scholars" and "historians". Sort of like a physician knowing about disease states of your body, these folks know the bible. Make sense?
So much so that it was commonly cut with water -- the pure stuff would put you on the floor in no time flat.
You were there?
You & kellhus were there?
You were there?
You mean your boys at the Jesus Seminar?
What would be the purpose of wine if not for the alcohol affect derived from drinking it?You were there?
The Bible refers to Jesus creating wine and drinking wine. Many Protestants say that "wine" doesn't refer to wine, it means grape juice. This despite the clear tradition of Catholics, Orthodox and Orthodox/Lubavitcher Jews going back forever. It's not even a valid Passover meal or Eucharist with grape juice.
They take the clear word "wine," then translate it into something ambiguous like "fruit of the vine," and then construe the ambiguity to mean grape juice. (No different than taking Jesus is "God," then interpret God to mean "heavenly," and then say he's just an angel.)
Jesus talked about being "born again." He said you need to have a spiritual "new wineskin," because an old wineskin can hold old wine but new wine will cause it to burst; new wine requires a new wineskin. Why? Because the wine is releasing gas as it finishes fermenting, and the old wine has completed the fermentation process. The Bible says a good Christian will not drink too much wine; strange that it would matter how much grape juice you drink.
They did not (fundie beliefs notwithstanding) have access to the Welch pasteurization process that was unveiled at the very end of the 1800s.
Yes, I can read first hand accounts, and agricultural manuals written in that period. Educating oneself is quite the beneficial activity, everyone should try it out.
What would be the purpose of wine if not for the alcohol affect derived from drinking it?
Wine never had an "alcohol effect" until scientists got ahold of it.
I believe science has morally bankrupted this country.You know, AV, your irrational fear and hatred of all things scientific is occasionally cute -- this is not one of those times.
Wine has that effect on people ... I think.The things you will do with the truth are just plain nauseating.
So you saying, wine did not have alcohol content until when exactly?
How should I know, bhstme? I'm not a connoisseur of wine.
I made the statement that wine in the Bible was grape juice -- now I'm being put through an inquisition for some reason.
I made the statement that wine in the Bible was grape juice -- now I'm being put through an inquisition for some reason.
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