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And that's your opinion. But you surely aren't saying all those translations I quoted are wrong and you are correct?Gehenna is not "Hell", Gehenna is the Valley of Hinnom outside of Jerusalem. Look at how it says "Whole Body", if these verses supported the traditional view of hell, they would not say the body goes to hell. The traditional (false) view is that the soul goes to hell, not the body.
No. I'm saying all of those translations are repeats of one translation. Are you saying that all of those translations are correct and the original greek is incorrect? Are you saying that there are dead bodies in hell, right now, burning alive and they will burn alive forever while they are dead? Do you actually believe the bible says this?And that's your opinion. But you surely aren't saying all those translations I quoted are wrong and you are correct?
I believe that too! Except it isn't "everlasting punishment" it is "eternal punishment." Death is the eternal punishment. Death is the opposite of eternal life, not eternal life in hell.Yes, I believe it because the Word said so.
When Christ was explaining judgment day to the disciples, In His explanation the "Son of Man" said to those on this left "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels." and to those on His right He said "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;"... Christ also finished saying this:
"And these will go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25: 33-34, 41, 46
That's enough for me!
I'm saying they are quite consistent with the NT teachings of punishment in the eternal fire.No. I'm saying all of those translations are repeats of one translation. Are you saying that all of those translations are correct and the original greek is incorrect?
No, they are quite alive and in agony. Jesus didn't make up horror stories to scare us. He was simply warning us.Are you saying that there are dead bodies in hell, right now, burning alive and they will burn alive forever while they are dead? Do you actually believe the bible says this?
What's the difference between those words?I believe that too! Except it isn't "everlasting punishment" it is "eternal punishment." Death is the eternal punishment. Death is the opposite of eternal life, not eternal life in hell.
This is not NT teaching. The wages of sin is death. The passages that talk about fire talk about completely consuming whatever is put into the fire, not torturing it in the fire.I'm saying they are quite consistent with the NT teachings of punishment in the eternal fire.
I have no doubt that is true. Jesus was using it as an illustration of the eternal fire. Hell.
Matthew 10:28
28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Good point Jrog. Why would Jesus say God is able to DESTROY body and soul in Gehenna if He is actually not going to DESTROY body and soul but keep them eternally undestroyed and ungoing torture?happy you brought that verse up, let me ask you this, do you think God cant or wont be able to kill both the body and soul in hell.....He must have said this for a reason, no? some will say, well HE is just saying He can do that, doesnt mean He is going to....my arguement is that makes no sense....
1st God doesnt just throw out words for no reason, He uses them for purpose, 2nd, He could have said anything, like fear Him who is able to burn you in hell for all eternity with no end, He did not choose those words, they would have been a bit more fitting since you believe the doctrine of hell is eternal suffering and burning in hellfire....dont you agree? and 3rd, there is no purpose to putting anyone into a fire furnace for all eternity, what would be the purpose of that....?
The simple reason is that the Hell-Fire Preachers are mistaken about what the bible says.
Why would Jesus make up such a DETAILED account? This is about punishment in the fire. It is consistent with the NT.The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable, not a news account of events in Hell. Also Hell isn't even mentioned at all in this parable. It's Hades.
Why would God reward the wicked by destroying them? He won't.This is not NT teaching. The wages of sin is death. The passages that talk about fire talk about completely consuming whatever is put into the fire, not torturing it in the fire.
The wages of sin is death. Any tradition that denies this defies "Holy Writ". If you say the result of sin is to be burned alive forever in hell when you are dead, then you are defying "Holy Writ" with your traditions.Gehenna was a literal place on Earth, but it was commonly also used metaphorically for a place of punishment.
Sheol was divided into two places: Paradise, or Abraham's Bosom, and Gehenna. It is true that Judaism and Jews today and then didn't have a concept of hell as Christians do, but this was their belief.
Christians have historically accepted the above but also take believe sheol to be a foretaste of things to come. Hell therefore does exist. Annihilationism is an unhistoric belief that is quite heterodox and defies both Holy Writ and Holy Tradition.
You seem very confused. If someone is destroyed, they are not being rewarded.Why would God reward the wicked by destroying them? He won't.
The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable, not a news account of events in Hell. Also Hell isn't even mentioned at all in this parable. It's Hades.
This is not NT teaching. The wages of sin is death. The passages that talk about fire talk about completely consuming whatever is put into the fire, not torturing it in the fire.
Besides the verses in Luke 16, we are not truly given a glimpse of what hell will be like.....The passages that talk about fire talk about completely consuming whatever is put into the fire, not torturing it in the fire.
It may be just my ignorance but I don't know of any Christians -from the NT and throughout histroy - who have hoped to be with Abraham when they die. Our hope is to be with Christ. The place also tends be to be different, we don't talk about going to hades or sheol - with Christ would imply in heaven! Of course we then think the whole aim is to go to heaven when we die and forget about the whole resurrection thing...Gehenna was a literal place on Earth, but it was commonly also used metaphorically for a place of punishment.
Sheol was divided into two places: Paradise, or Abraham's Bosom, and Gehenna. It is true that Judaism and Jews today and then didn't have a concept of hell as Christians do, but this was their belief.
Christians have historically accepted the above but also take believe sheol to be a foretaste of things to come. Hell therefore does exist. Annihilationism is an unhistoric belief that is quite heterodox and defies both Holy Writ and Holy Tradition.
He said to FEAR. There would be no need to fear if it would destroy. The wicked will certainly wish they were destroyed.happy you brought that verse up, let me ask you this, do you think God cant or wont be able to kill both the body and soul in hell.....He must have said this for a reason, no? some will say, well HE is just saying He can do that, doesnt mean He is going to....my arguement is that makes no sense....
The words eternal, unquenchable, everlasting and forever are used for the punishment in the fire in the NT. Does eternal life end?1st God doesnt just throw out words for no reason, He uses them for purpose, 2nd, He could have said anything, like fear Him who is able to burn you in hell for all eternity with no end, He did not choose those words, they would have been a bit more fitting since you believe the doctrine of hell is eternal suffering and burning in hellfire....dont you agree? and 3rd, there is no purpose to putting anyone into a fire furnace for all eternity, what would be the purpose of that....?
The wicked will wish God had destroyed them. That would be reward in comparison.You seem very confused. If someone is destroyed, they are not being rewarded.
Did the Navy Seals "reward" Osama Bin Laden by shooting him in the head?
Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is death. Which part of this do you not understand?The wicked will wish God had destroyed them. That would be reward in comparison.
I am about to engage in some serious studying.
First subject: Hell.
The conventional idea of Hell is a place of eternal punishment for those who don't accept Jesus.
This is something that I find hard to accept. I'm interested in people's opinions and texts from the Bible...or suggestions on what I should study
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