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Featured Do You Believe All Will Be Resurrected Bodily?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Minister Monardo, Nov 30, 2020.

  1. Minister Monardo

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    1 Corinthians 15:
    12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some
    among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
    14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
    15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God
    that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
    16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
    17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
    18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
    19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
     
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    Of course, as it is written in that same chapter, flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
     
  3. Jesus is YHWH

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    Absolutely and my favorite topic in Scripture besides the Trinity and Deity of Christ. Its the central theme/core of the Gospel- His Bodily Resurrection/Ascension.
     
  4. Jesus is YHWH

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    Phil 3:10
    I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection
     
  5. Jesus is YHWH

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    Are you implying that Jesus is in heaven now and not bodily ?
     
  6. Minister Monardo

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    2 Corinthians 5:
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    For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God,
    a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
    2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,
    3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.
    4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed,
    but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
     
  7. WebersHome

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    There are two resurrections: one is permanent, the other is only temporary. (Rev 20:6)
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    Yes resurrection is in body which can eat , Jesus ate after resurrection not cuz he was hungry but to prove that he is still human and not some ghost , aswell as showing the wounds he got.
     
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    Actually this verse is talking about first resurrection which is of living , so beginning with Jesus towards resurrection of saints.
    Then after 1k year Millenium is resurrection of the damned so they can be tormented forever.

    Both are permament not temporary
     
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    OP question: Do You Believe All Will Be Resurrected Bodily?

    OP ended with 1 Cor 15:19. The next 3 verses answer the OP question. YES!

    1 Cor 15:
    20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
    (NOTE: Christ raised 1st - Done)

    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    (NOTE: Adams sin receives the death sentence, for himself & ALL humanity. Christ's sin payment will provide EVERY human that died to partake in a resurrection. Some to eternal life with God & others eternal separation from their creator God)

    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    (NOTE: Every body dies & EVERYBODY will be resurrected.) Peace JJ
     
  11. Minister Monardo

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    LOL. I would have posted the whole chapter, as essential!
    Only the wise go to the scriptures to confirm their word, and receive!
    Nice word and work.

    James
     
  12. mlepfitjw

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    No. I don’t. Spiritual body yes. 1 Corinthians 15 talks about the differences between spiritual and flesh. I don’t even believe that Jesus is in a body anymore after becoming one with God, and God is a spirit. God resides in a spiritual kingdom, heavenly Jerusalem.

    When Jesus completed everything he handed all the power given by God back to God so God could be all in all.

    What is the goal of Christianity ?

    to make it to heaven?

    to have relationship with God?
     
  13. Jesus is YHWH

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    Are you open to discussing Jesus Resurrection ?
     
  14. Minister Monardo

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    Jesus has not completed everything. This is very important, so I will post relevant passages.
    1 Corinthians 15:
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    But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
    21 For since by man death, by Man also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
    23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those of Christ at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
    26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
    27 For He has put all things under His feet. But when He says all things are put under Him,
    it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
    28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be
    subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all
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    Psalm 110:1. The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.

    Hebrews 10:
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    But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the
    right hand of God,
    13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.

    1 Corinthians 15:
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    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality,
    then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 O Death, where is your sting?
    O Hades, where is your victory?

    This is Salvation's Victory Cry!
     
  15. mlepfitjw

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    no I’m just telling you what I believe.

    Jesus Christ has completed everything in my view. Some think that is kind of crazy, thinking but ah... where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.

    thank you for your help, though minister, — for me, that Bible is done and completed.

    Truly liberating thought about the Spirit of Christ and how we can have freedom with Him.

    Adios, and God bless you and your families.
     
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    Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power

    The second death is clearly depicted as an execution. People who end up there won't have a living body; they will have a dead body.

    Isa 66:23-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view them with utter horror.

    The Hebrew word translate "dead bodies" is peger (peh'gher) which speaks of a carcass, viz: a corpse, i.e. road kill.

    According to the above passage, the lake of brimstone depicted by Rev 20:10-15 will be a sort of tourist attraction like the La Brea Tar Pits museum in Los Angeles where the remains of prehistoric beasts are on display. The bones of a Native American girl are there too. Apparently she got stuck in the goo and couldn't escape.

    Christians have a bad habit of discussing the lake of brimstone in an academic tone with no feelings of sympathy or sadness whatsoever. Well; real people are on a road to that horrible place, and some of them are friends, associates, and loved ones.

    I can only imagine the great white throne event will be a ghastly scene. People will be weeping, shrieking, screaming, and bawling like wounded dogs, looking for something, anything, to grab and cling to as strong spirit beings take them into custody to be thrown alive into boiling sulfur.

    Worms that thrive in brimstone are pretty amazing, but not unreasonable. The 4-inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176° Fahrenheit: hot enough to kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if God could create a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create worms that like it even warmer; not to mention He fire-proofed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego so I've no doubt at all that God is fully capable of fire-proofing those hellish worms.

    The lake of brimstone should prove an extremely disturbing sight to onlookers with all those dead bodies floating around out there like apples in a bobbing tub; the meanwhile fully aware that some of those dead bodies were once their kin, their best friends, and their favorite entertainers, et al.
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  17. mlepfitjw

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    What a tour ride, though I believe all these things are done and past. You ever heard of the penguin book of Hell, and the collection of depictions of hell throughout history ? I’ve got it just haven’t read all of it... some of it was interesting and there one part that is using scriptures which grow into a picture of people being tormented and in anguish forever and ever and ever.


    Boy that would really suck to die, have believed in Jesus lived your life to the best of your ability only to be reject and thrown into a pit of fire and have God manically laugh as you are thronged out of his presences.


    Thanks for the read Webster.
     
  18. Minister Monardo

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    Are you saying that the book of Revelation is no longer prophecy, that all in fulfilled?
     
  19. mlepfitjw

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    Bout time for me to go to bed Minister, yes that is what I’m saying. No one has to agree with me about it, or call me names, or say I’m a liar, or that I’m a heretic though.

    it’s okay to have freedom and believe Jesus Christ told his disciple he was coming back before that generation passed.

    And I’m not looking to argue, or prove a point cause it’s hard to change my mind anymore, after once being a futurist.

    Also no I’m not preterist either cause I don’t know what they believe. I’m a person who believes that the Bible prophecies all of them are fulfilled. Jesus came, saw, died, conquered over death, hades, Satan when God rose him back up, later giving everything back to God he became one with God because later we see Jesus named the Lord God Almighty — just like when Peter saw Jesus transfiguration on the mount only this time it was completed .
     
  20. Minister Monardo

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    I have done none of those things. I only asked if you had considered 1 Corinthians 15 as a part of
    your conclusions on the matter. You wanted nothing to do with it, so be it. It is a good read, and
    precisely on point for the topic.
     
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