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If you're referring to Mat 5:17-18, it is covered in LK 24:44. There is no reference to end time events as is tried to make the Scripture state. If so Jesus is in error making the statement this is the new testament (covenant). This would mean that there is more than one NC which I've asked for proof of and seem to be ignored. So is Jesus lying or speaking of another new covenant? If He is speaking of another NC I need something to go on identifying that other new covenant.what about the part of the "all" that's yet future?
Jesus didn't speak of end time events in Mat 5:17-18. He that made clear with the statement in LK 24:44. Notice in the KJV the last 2 words of the verse are concerning Me. The NIV leaves those words out. My references indicate they are original Greek text words of the text.[/QUOTE][/COLOR]If you're referring to Mat 5:17-18, it is covered in LK 24:44. There is no reference to end time events as is tried to make the Scripture state. If so Jesus is in error making the statement this is the new testament (covenant). This would mean that there is more than one NC which I've asked for proof of and seem to be ignored. So is Jesus lying or speaking of another new covenant? If He is speaking of another NC I need something to go on identifying that other new covenant.
how does that factor into the completion if the future events written about Him haven't even taken place? (hope you understand what i'm asking).
What is new is the depth of perception that Yeshua is presenting.. not just adultery but even lust is included... not just murder but even evil thoughts are included...First, we would have to memorize all of the 613 laws that applied, or might apply in the future, to our societal position. Then we would have to remember all these laws without fail 100% of the time.
Ignorance was not an excuse for breaking one of the laws or commandments. Leviticus chapters 4, 5, & 6 deal specifically with the sacrifices which those who unknowingly broke a law were to make once they found out that they had violated it. Until then their sin was counted against them, even though they had not even realized that they had committed a sin.
There is also a problem with the belief that we can keep The Ten Commandments while rejecting the other laws and commandments and still claim to be keeping the Mosaic Law. In Mark 12:28-31, Jesus himself was asked which commandment was the most important. Jesus' reply did not even include any of The Ten Commandments. Instead, he told them that there were two other commandments which were to be recognized as most important. 'You will love the Lord your God' (Deuteronomy 6:4) and 'You will love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18b).
So what does this mean? It means that even Jesus Christ saw the 613 laws as a set. His answer makes it clear that there are, in all probability, other laws and commandments somewhere in that set of 613 that he also considers as even more important than The Ten Commandments. So to say that we will follow The Ten Commandments while rejecting the other laws and commandments found in Torah obviously does not conform to Jesus' own perspective concerning the laws of Torah.
Also, his words concerning the practical aid we are to show to those in need mirror another part of the set of 613 laws, namely, remembering the poor. In Matthew 25:31-46, he orders that we feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the sick, and visit those in prison. We are to be the means of alleviating their suffering, just as the Hebrews of the OT who were wealthier were to see themselves as the means of alleviating the suffering of others in Israel.
To jump between the Old Testament Laws and the New Testament Laws as if we were at a salad bar profits us in no way. The 613 laws of Torah are a set, and are to be respected as one of the earliest civilized foundations of a society. But their purpose was only to turn what was little more than a ragtag mob into a cohesive unit, able to live safely among one another and defend themselves against their enemies.
We Christians have a different set of laws and commandments. But these laws and commandments are to be seen as the outgrowth of our salvation, rather than a mean of strengthening a certain nation. We have Jesus' teachings in the gospels as to what we are to do, and refrain from doing. We have the epistles, which teach us what our mindset is to be (a good example is Galatians 5:16-26). And we are to understand that as a measure of our gratitude to God for what he has already given us, namely, eternal life, it is only fair that we endeavor to have our words and actions show this gratitude through our willingness to do as Christ has instructed.
The NIV does have the words represented by the KJV's "concerning me". The NIV says, "about me".[/color]If you're referring to Mat 5:17-18, it is covered in LK 24:44. There is no reference to end time events as is tried to make the Scripture state. If so Jesus is in error making the statement this is the new testament (covenant). This would mean that there is more than one NC which I've asked for proof of and seem to be ignored. So is Jesus lying or speaking of another new covenant? If He is speaking of another NC I need something to go on identifying that other new covenant.
Jesus didn't speak of end time events in Mat 5:17-18. He that made clear with the statement in LK 24:44. Notice in the KJV the last 2 words of the verse are concerning Me. The NIV leaves those words out. My references indicate they are original Greek text words of the text.how does that factor into the completion if the future events written about Him haven't even taken place? (hope you understand what i'm asking).
Example:
Numbers 6:3
he shall separate himself from wine and similar drink; he shall drink neither vinegar made from wine nor vinegar made from similar drink; neither shall he drink any grape juice, nor eat fresh grapes or raisins.
Numbers6:3 A Nazir may not drink wine or any beverage from grapes
Numbers6:3 A Nazir may not eat fresh grapes
Numbers6:3 A Nazir may not eat dried grapes
That is three laws that some MAN wrote down in this huge list.
Notice how he came up with three laws out of the passage?
Might as well just say "NO GRAPES OF ANY KIND" lol
It is impossible to keep all 613 commandments LOL.
Not even Yeshua did!
You guys and your silly threads
Well said.
So...
Since not all 613 laws are applicable to the Church, which ones are and which ones are not?
I posit that if the "10 Commandments" are to be memorized and followed today, then we should continue on to the 11th and the 12th and the 13th, etc.
Please, no hiding behind, "no, I do not eat pork, but I'm not sure how many other laws I should follow."
If 10 of Moses' laws should be followed by the Church, how many of the other remaining 603, should be followed?
Please. Anyone who advocates the 10 Commandments needs to continue and produce a complete list.
which ones did God, Himself, write?
Well said.
So...
Since not all 613 laws are applicable to the Church, which ones are and which ones are not?
I posit that if the "10 Commandments" are to be memorized and followed today, then we should continue on to the 11th and the 12th and the 13th, etc.
Please, no hiding behind, "no, I do not eat pork, but I'm not sure how many other laws I should follow."
If 10 of Moses' laws should be followed by the Church, how many of the other remaining 603, should be followed?
Please. Anyone who advocates the 10 Commandments needs to continue and produce a complete list.
No...Christ commanded us to "Love thy god with all thy heart, with all thy soul and with all thy mind...this is the First and GREAT commandment.
The second is like unto it, Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang ALL the law of the prophets."
The operative word is ALL. These two cover the entire gambit.
isn't that a summary of the ten?
first four show love toward God and the last six show love toward neighbor?
isn't that a summary of the ten?
first four show love toward God and the last six show love toward neighbor?
it is a summery of the ten...nowhere in the NT does it specifically tell us to keep the rest of the 613, because Christ fulfilled the law.
We exited the age of law, and entered the age of grace.
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