Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[sheina]

What are you putting on when you put on Christ. His righteousness. Is not the 10 commandments of Righteousness? Same Romans, Same Paul. Paul never disregarded or removed the 10 commandments we did. Rom 7

9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The 10 commandments have NOTHING to do with putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. The WHOLE law is NOT just the 10 commandments....do you keep the other 603 commandments....which is the WHOLE law. If you don't, you are GUILTY of all, according to James 2:10:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[from scratch]

We are discussing the ten commandments.

It seems that we did cross LK 18 and Mat 19 didn't we? What was the purpose of the rich young ruler asking the question? Why was he sad?

Jesus was and is the only means of salvation new or old covenant. Lot, Moses and Abraham will be heaven because of Jesus.

Did Lot or Abraham observe the 10 Cs? Rhetorical question. The answer is no they didn't.

If salvation has always been the same, and the law was given then and expected to be kept, how could not be now?

When did salvation come? Before the cross or after the cross? What did the rich young ruler find out? Wasn't Jesus' asnswer in line with Ps 14:3, 53:3?

If we can acknowledge that it is unholy to lie and steal, how can we say that commandment is no more?

Simple Jer 31:31-34 combined wit Jesus words found in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Notice I didn't need Paul to make the point.

And has Galatians 5 already been forgotten?

There is a conflict that can not be resolved with this idea being supported by those who say that the 10 is abolished. No we should not but we don't keep law. It is simply without logic.

No sir! Explain Jer 31:31-34. Oh BTW God isn't the least bit logical by the ways and understanding of man.

 

[from scratch]

A simply honest consideration would clearly show that the Ten is not like the others.
God did not treat them like the others.
Why would God tell Moses, you broke them, make new stones but I will write them.
Moses broke them God had a right to make him write them, but not so. Was they too important to God? Was God making show that no one could honestly say that Moses wrote them or that they were of him? It certainly paints a picture of uniqueness, importance.
Notice they are the only laws God wrote, He dictated the others.

I find it most interesting that God wouldn't trust Moses to write 10 words but trusted him to write 603 more laws.

 

[from scratch]

Of course it does but take comfort from Paul who had the same problem. He did not condemn the law but praise it and allowed the Holy Spirit to live in him for the victory. Rom. 7
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Who is condemning the 10 Cs?

 

[Elder 111]

And the 10 Cs have been replaced by the NC. Jer 31:31-34, Mat 26:28, MK 14:24, LK 22:20, Romans 10:4, Heb 7:12 and Paul said to throw 'em out. Paul didn't say now go sin - Galatians 5.

You keep referring to Jer. 31:31 as if it supports your point of view. It clearly says that it will be on our hearts not removed or negated. Again the blood of the NC. Blood referred to sacrifices not the 10. This was a replacement of the passover and the sanctuary services.
12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This has nothing to do with the ten commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

Paul also said:

23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, (AN)being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our (AO)tutor to lead us to Christ, so that (AP)we may be justified by faith.
25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a (AQ)tutor.



Paul does not contradict himself.

You must understand what Paul meant. Faith was always a part of salvation, it was not a new introduction in the new testament. Hebrews 11 makes that clear.
Take a moment and consider. We as christians can not stand before a Holy God and lie and steal. These are thing required in the 10 commandments. It is not then reasonable to say that there are no for us to observed. The mistake has been that we have been told that it is works. How can refusing, by the grace of God, to sleep with your neighbor be of works.

 

[Elder 111]

As I understand it, a Christian's behavior should be led by the Spirit of God and determined by love. Love God, and love others. If you love God, you will not take His name in vain. If you love your spouse, you will be faithful. If you love others, you will not kill, steal, or mistreat. If your mind is focused on Christ, you won't covet. It follows then that Christians are not tied to a set of rules, but will follow them automatically if they are properly tuned in with Christ.

For a Christian, then, led by the Spirit, a written law is no longer necessary. This, IMO, is preferable because the alternative is debates about the letter of the law, and the constant search for loopholes that let you do what you want to do anyway.

It is the same as that which is written. It is not a matter of depending on it. It is realizing that it is the same and that it is still very much a requirement of God.

 

[Elder 111]

The gentiles were never required to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses according to the council.

So your argument does not address what I stated earlier.

Circumcision is not of the 10 commandments.
You can tie all the laws into one bundle but God not and I will not.

 

[Elder 111]

The 10 commandments have NOTHING to do with putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. The WHOLE law is NOT just the 10 commandments....do you keep the other 603 commandments....which is the WHOLE law. If you don't, you are GUILTY of all, according to James 2:10:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

What do you understand by what Paul said in Romans 7?
James 2:10 is referring to the 10 commandments not the whole law as you state.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
These are of the 10. If you fail to keep one of the 10 you are guilty of all.

 

[Elder 111]

It seems that we did cross LK 18 and Mat 19 didn't we? What was the purpose of the rich young ruler asking the question? Why was he sad?
Did Lot or Abraham observe the 10 Cs? Rhetorical question. The answer is no they didn't.When did salvation come? Before the cross or after the cross? What did the rich young ruler find out? Wasn't Jesus' asnswer in line with Ps 14:3, 53:3? Simple Jer 31:31-34 combined wit Jesus words found in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Notice I didn't need Paul to make the point.

And has Galatians 5 already been forgotten?No sir! Explain Jer 31:31-34. Oh BTW God isn't the least bit logical by the ways and understanding of man.

It is not God I am referring to, it is the argument put forth by you and others. God word does not support your position. Most of all Lot, Abraham and all the others did keep the 10 Cs or at least by the grace of God tried to.
They were also saved by grace through faith.

 

[Elder 111]

I find it most interesting that God wouldn't trust Moses to write 10 words but trusted him to write 603 more laws.

It is more than interesting. God held it and holds it in such great esteem that most could not write it.

 

[Elder 111]

Who is condemning the 10 Cs?

Then what are you doing? It is or it is not.

 

[MamaZ]

what happens if a man falters at one of the 10?

 

[MamaZ]

Have any of those who demand we keep the 10 been Isreal?

 

[tall73]

An honest consideration would show that Jesus referenced more than the ten in saying the law would not pass away till all be fulfilled.

An honest consideration would show that Paul and James referenced the whole law, not just the ten.

The ten were the covenant words, and the heart of the covenant. But the covenant included more than just the ten.

And you have already acknowledged moral commands which continue beyond the ten in the law.

I see you skipped this one.


Quite a few folks have now called you on this inconsistency in your interpretation of Scripture.

Why did James, Jesus and Paul refer to parts of the whole law AND the ten commandments, not just the ten commandments?

Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


He then goes on to discuss the commands against murder, adultery vows, eye for eye, etc. both from the ten and the rest of the law.


And His greatest commandment and the one like it are from other parts of the law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In the passage James reiterates love your neighbor as yourself from Deuteronomy and Jesus' endorsement, and also references breaking the law through partiality, which is forbidden in Deut. Then he also references some of the ten.


Paul also addressed remarriage being possible after death in Rom. 7, then went on to discuss coveting, again the ten commandments with another portion of the law.

Your system just doesn't work if you ignore the texts.

 

[tall73]

Then what are you doing? It is or it is not.

The ten commandments on stone were the heart of the Israelite covenant. It included a sign with Israel, the sabbath.

The moral principles in the commandments are enduring.


And even the sign of the sabbath was God given and "good" for the people it was given to and the reason it was given for.

It is not condemning the 10 commandments to understand their purpose and role.

Just as you don't condemn the Day of Atonement because you don't keep it.

 

[visionary]

It seems that we did cross LK 18 and Mat 19 didn't we? What was the purpose of the rich young ruler asking the question? Why was he sad?
Did Lot or Abraham observe the 10 Cs? Rhetorical question. The answer is no they didn't.When did salvation come? Before the cross or after the cross? What did the rich young ruler find out? Wasn't Jesus' asnswer in line with Ps 14:3, 53:3? Simple Jer 31:31-34 combined wit Jesus words found in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Notice I didn't need Paul to make the point.

And has Galatians 5 already been forgotten?No sir! Explain Jer 31:31-34. Oh BTW God isn't the least bit logical by the ways and understanding of man.

Who was the first Messianic believer? Adam! He believed in the coming of the Messiah. No one has got saved by doing the works of the Torah. BUT by faith, faith in the God of the universe, and His coming Messiah

 

[from scratch]

Then what are you doing? It is or it is not.

I don't understand what you're asking or stating by question that I'm condemning the 10 Cs. This is starting to be goading. What do you mean by It is or it is not?

 

[from scratch]

Who was the first Messianic believer? Adam! He believed in the coming of the Messiah. No one has got saved by doing the works of the Torah. BUT by faith, faith in the God of the universe, and His coming Messiah

I find no such evidence. Please quote any verse showing that Adam believed anything. The promise of redemption of mankind was addressed directly to the serpent, not Adam.

 

[Yab Yum]

I can't keep a single one of the 10 commandments. I can't. My sinful nature prevents it.








And neither can anyone else.

Sure you can, you've never killed anyone for example.