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Archaeopteryx

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So, your answer is to pick out one name? Now I know you didn't read through the list in its entirety that fast. Do your own search then. The internet is just as available to you as it is to me.
I'm not sure what relevance you think this list has given that (a) not all Christians are creationists and not all creationists are Christian, (b) some of the Christians listed have been vocal in their condemnation of creationism (e.g., Francis Collins and Kenneth Miller), and (c) many of those listed are no longer living.
 
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Science is the real world, it's just waiting to be discovered. It's there for all to see. Religion is like writing a story. No one can write it except the author. Would we have The Lord of the Rings if someone other than J R R Tolkien had written it? Of course not. Religion, like art, is unique and can never be recreated. But the real world can be. I can go to the Eiffel Tower and when I look at it, it will be the same tower that you see. But religion isn't like that. Reality is the same for everyone, religion isn't. So how can it be true?

Reality is created in your mind alone.
So how can it be true?
Matter is mostly space, so how can it be true?
Matter does not create itself, so how can it be true?
Non-living matter does not change to living matter, so how can it be true?
Light exists either as a particle or a wave, depending on which you are looking for,
so how can it be true? Reality changes according to what you seek.
 
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amariselle

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I'm not sure what relevance you think this list has given that (a) not all Christians are creationists and not all creationists are Christian, (b) some of the Christians listed have been vocal in their condemnation of creationism (e.g., Francis Collins and Kenneth Miller), and (c) many of those listed are no longer living.

Take from it what you will. I don't need a list in any case, it doesn't have any impact on my faith whatsoever.
 
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amariselle

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I'm not the one claiming there are lots of creationist scientists!

Again, you are free to do your own honest search on the topic. I think you may be quite surprised if you do.
 
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amariselle

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That's an interesting statement. Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Well, I really do need to get off for awhile. So, I don't have time right at this moment to go into a lot of detail. Basically what I mean is that I respect people I can read about and learn from, but I do not put my absolute faith in any one man or woman, because people ARE fallible. My faith is in the one Person, Jesus Christ who is not fallible, and who walked this earth and entered into our sufferings in order to die a criminal's death on a cross so that we may be redeemed.

Worldly human knowledge will always fall short at some point, but Jesus never fails.
 
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In reference of the list you provided earlier, @amariselle, on closer inspection it includes Ronald Fisher, an evolutionary biologist; Georges Lemaître, who first proposed the Big Bang theory; and Theodosius Dobzhansky, who wrote the essay "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution."
 
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Well, I really do need to get off for awhile. So, I don't have time right at this moment to go into a lot of detail. Basically what I mean is that I respect people I can read about and learn from, but I do not put my absolute faith in any one man or woman, because people ARE fallible. My faith is in the one Person, Jesus Christ who is not fallible, and who walked this earth and entered into our sufferings in order to die a criminal's death on a cross so that we may be redeemed.

Worldly human knowledge will always fall short at some point, but Jesus never fails.
How do you know that?

It's okay if you don't respond right away. Due to differences in time zones, I should probably get to bed. It's late here!
 
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amariselle

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How do you know that?

It's okay if you don't respond right away. Due to differences in time zones, I should probably get to bed. It's late here!

Through faith, which may sound like an overly simplistic answer, but it's a real challenge sometimes. The world is constantly trying to knock me down in this regard, but I pray and I know He loves me.

I hope you sleep well Archaeopteryx.

Blessings!
 
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And how would you do that?
You didn't answer my question.

If I can show this: "Worldly human knowledge will always fall short at some point, but Jesus never fails." :Is demonstrably wrong, would you question your faith?
 
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You didn't answer my question.

If I can show this: "Worldly human knowledge will always fall short at some point, but Jesus never fails." :Is demonstrably wrong, would you question your faith?

No. I have questioned things about my faith before, but I have continued to grow in my faith, and I trust God to help me stand firm, as others have before me.
 
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No. I have questioned things about my faith before, but I have continued to grow in my faith, and I trust God to help me stand firm, as others have before me.
But what if I can demonstrate that Jesus' knowledge fell short of human knowledge?
 
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In what way?
It took thousands of years for humans to discover that the simple act of washing your hands will reduce transmission of disease significantly, thereby reducing mortality / morbidity rates. Jesus had ample opportunity to educate humanity, yet he chose not too.
 
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How on earth can it be our common ancestor?
They connection is with the HIV virus and it has to do with retrovirus, but I do not have time to look into it right now. The point is that the Lemar is a common ancestor for humans. To see how they feel the Madagascar play a part in evolution then you would need to read the article. "Madagascar may help scientists understand how HIV-like viruses coevolved with primates," This whole retrovirus thing is a pet subject for Loudmouth. He likes to talk about retrovirus and how they feel that is evidence for common ancestor. "lentiviruses may have been present in ancestral primates as long as 85 million years ago."

I will tell you what I will do. I will throw my wild theory out there and you can tear it down and prove me wrong. According to the leading expert on DNA we are told that this is the Language of God. So RNA could also be the language of God. Evolution has a lot more to do with the regulation of what is already there.

Discovery Of Virus In Lemur Could Shed Light On AIDS
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081201200113.htm
 
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