Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

[Hoghead1]

And it's still a virus.
Call me when it's a salamander.
Evolutions is sooooooooooooooo dishonest.
Viruses mutated into viruses.
Bacteria mutates into bacteria.
Fruit flies mutate into fruit flies.
Evolution mutates from a theory to a religion among those who know no better.

Again, your post is all inappropriate inflammatory rhetoric.

 

[Hoghead1]

No, I'm saying that you don't know what you're talking about and that your understanding of evolution is too poor to have a productive conversation.

Amen to that.

 

[Hoghead1]

If you are saying I ever said humans evolved into daffodils I'd have to call you a liar.
The ToE SPECIFICALLY claims a common original progenitor; or do you wish to re-define evolution?

You did make a claim just like that in your recent post. Again, your posts are largely name-calling and wild accusations. Totally inappropriate here.

 

[Hoghead1]

I KNOW that if evolution isn't happening that it never happened.
YOU are the one that believes we share an ancestor; that something evolved into both daffodils and human beings.
Frankly, I think the ToE is the most pathetically idiotic claim man has ever made; believed only because the only other alternative is acknowledging God and a consequence to our actions.

And, as usual, ever more inappropriate inflammatory rhetoric and no insight on your part.

 

[Robert Palase]

Jesus didn't come to instruct people on personal hygiene and cleanliness. He came to save sinners, to tell them about God, and to die that we may have eternal life with Him forever if we believe in Him, repent and call upon His name to be saved.

What if you're wrong? after all Jesus had been dead for over 50 years before one word was written about him or what he was supposed to have said.

 

[amariselle]

What if you're wrong?

If you think I am, read the Bible for yourself. It is available for you just as much as for me.

I am not concerned that I am wrong about the foundation of my belief in Jesus Christ, though I admit I could be wrong in much lesser things, as I do not have all the answers in this life.

 

[Hoghead1]

We're not the ones who believe man shares a common ancestor with a daffodil.
If a dog can't evolve into anything else then evolution can't happen.
Evolution not only demands increasing complexity, but it must be so common that it's the driving force of all living things.
If nothing CAN evolve into anything else then nothing DID evolve into anything else.

Wolves were evolved by humans into dogs. There has been a long-term study going on in Russia to see if foxes can be turned into dogs. So far, the results are promising, with foxes taking on more and more dog traits, such as tameness. Bacteria has been evolved into a whole new species in the lab. And don't give me your argument this isn't evolution because the bacteria are still bacteria. That doesn't count. The point is a new species was developed. Almost all the domestic animals we know are designer animals; that is, they were created by us and are far from their feral ancestors. Now if we can do all that, think what God and a million years of evolution can do. Apparently your model of God is a bit limited in that respect.

 

[amariselle]

What if you're wrong? after all Jesus had been dead for over 50 years before one word was written about him or what he was supposed to have said.

And as for the 50 years, many of the early Christians and the original disciples were still alive when these things were written down for the first time. It could have been easily refuted. Yet absolutely no texts or evidence of such refutations has ever been found, even though extensive copies of ancient scripture have been found.

The Jewish people had a very well established oral tradition, and at first the stories were shared in this way.

 

[Hoghead1]

The theory of evolution and natural selection is hardly conclusive. It doesn't even come close to explaining everything we can observe and study in this life.

Evidence, please.

 

[amariselle]

Evidence, please.

I tried posting links before, they were tossed aside and criticized. The evidence is there if you wish to look.

 

[Hoghead1]

No one ever claimed that we are monkeys, except creationists who think that's how evolution is supposed to work. We share a common ancestor with monkeys. We are apes. We are primates. We are mammals. We are animals. We are chordates, and so on...

You say "no one ever claimed we are monkeys," they you say "we are apes." That's pretty contradictory, don't you think?

 

[Hoghead1]

Hell is NOT empty. There is room for more.

It's a big no-no in theological discussions to try and out power your opponents by condemning them to Hell. Also, when it comes to Hell, which is where Bible Belt Christians place anyone who disagrees with them, I've thought about it and decided that Hell might be the best place for me to be, then. After all, I'll be able to hobnob with a much more intelligent, more interesting, and better-educated clientele.

 

[Robert Palase]

And as for the 50 years, many of the early Christians and the original disciples were still alive when these things were written down for the first time. It could have been easily refuted. Yet absolutely no texts or evidence of such refutations has ever been found, even though extensive copies of ancient scripture have been found.

There was nothing written to corroborate the stories in the Bible either, apart from the same stories that were written hundreds of years earlier about other Gods and Kings, every God, King and leader could do magic in those days it was expected of them.
There were at least 9 Gods born on Dec 25th of virgins before Jesus and a few of them were crucified. [it was common then]

 

[Hoghead1]

I have never seen a different interpretation of the Scriptures, only a rejection of the Scriptures.

Genesis 1 could not be more explicit and plain than stating three different ways that the evening and morning, the numbered days and the week equaling six days of creation and one day of rest were intended to state the time and sequence of creation over a six solar day period. The only way evolution believers can interpret it differently is to say that it is false; that it is NOT the word of God but rather something men created.

I have repeatedly challenged TE believers over a 15 year period to explain line by line how evolution could be possible given the time and sequence of the creation account. NOBODY has ever been able to do so. The Scriptures clearly state that God created all living things in their mature state, and Christ verified that the Scriptures were the breathed words of God. Jesus quoted repeatedly from Genesis and other books of the Old Testament. He told us that if we didn't believe the words of Moses we wouldn't believe His words. Evolution believers do not, and do not. Instead they put their faith not in God but in a "scientific" theory that is disproved by science.

Every attempt to force evolutionary change has failed. Nothing has ever evolved into anything else. Fruit flies remain fruit flies. Bacteria remain bacteria. Miller-Urey proved that the auto-generation of life from random amino acids is impossible in the lab and pure foolishness in the natural world.

Only God can explain the origination of anything. Anyone who caims this can be replicated by science is either deluded or lying.

Since you are so fond of the school-girl style of writing, I wondered when you would go into more than one color. What next? Technicolor? If you want to be taken seriously in a theological discussion, you need to tone down the bombast and hooplah.

 

[Oafman]

And it's still a virus.
Call me when it's a salamander.
Evolutionists is sooooooooooooooo dishonest.
Viruses mutated into viruses.
Bacteria mutates into bacteria.
Fruit flies mutate into fruit flies.
Evolution mutates from a theory to a religion among those who know no better.

You asked for an example of a beneficial mutation. I gave you one. You then tried to move the goalposts.

And it's a bacterial infection, not a virus

 

[Hoghead1]

I have encountered this view many times.

Where have you encountered this? I sure didn't and I don't know any one else who has. Granted, you may find something like that in the media. However, we are talking about classrooms. The teachers and professors I studied with and know all respect a division of labor in academia. When I was in bio lab, pithing a frog, I asked the professor if she thought frogs had feelings and felt pain when pithed, she said that is a question for philosophy. She was right. Any of the science professors I had would have immediately told you that questions about God belonged in the theology and philosophy classes, that science was neutral on the issue and so let's get back to science. Also, almost all the major colleges and universities have classes on religion, philosophy, theology, where questions about God can and should be addressed. Public schools are encouraged to keep religion out of the picture, largely due to the tension that would crate in the community. What if you talk about Christ and you have Jewish students, etc.? Parochial schools and youth programs in churches are intended to educate students about God. In the universities, it is a different story, as I just pointe out.

 

[amariselle]

There was nothing written to corroborate the stories in the Bible either, apart from the same stories that were written hundreds of years earlier about other Gods and Kings, every God, King and leader could do magic in those days it was expected of them.
There were at least 9 Gods born on Dec 25th of virgins before Jesus and a few of them were crucified. [it was quite common then]

And yet why haven't their stories continued on? Why haven't lives been changed by them? Why are they no more than distant myths now. I can't name even one of them without looking it up. Can you? And yet almost everyone, whether they believe in Him or not, knows the name of Jesus.

"The Bible is comprised of 66 Books written over a period of about 1,500 years by over 40 authors from all walks of life, with different kinds of personalities, and in all sorts of situations. It was written in three languages on three continents, and it covers hundreds of controversial subjects. Yet, it fits together into one cohesive story with an appropriate beginning, a logical ending, a central character, and a consistent theme."

"How does one begin to explain such historical, structural, prophetic, doctrinal, and spiritual congruency (harmony) apart from the fact that its real author was Divine?!"

http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/biblecongruency.html

Why are there no similar writings about these other "gods"? Why are their not also hundreds of complete copies and fragments that have been found over the years, that despite different time and place have no major contradictions between them?

These other "gods" have come to nothing, Jesus has not.

 

[Hoghead1]

Please show which traits are acquired from nothingness by selective breeding.
Both are still canines, are they not? Size changes, attributes are adjusted, but no new organs are created and no new functions are created, Adaptation SELECTS from existing traits and is a conservative process. Using an equal or subtractive process to demonstrate an addition process is fundamentally dishonest. Where is the increasing complexity? Nobody denies adaptation, which is what has given us the variety of species since the Great Flood. Where is the new genetic information that is REQUIRED for evolution to be viable?

P.S. How does a dog evolve into a dog?

Well, how does someone committed to the school-girl school of writing evolve into a mature, serious author?

 

[KWCrazy]

You asked for an example of a beneficial mutation. I gave you one. You then tried to move the goalposts.
And it's a bacterial infection, not a virus

I asked for an example of a benevolent mutation advancing a species as evolution would require. Everyone knows that viruses and bacteria mutate and change. They still, however, remain viruses and bacteria.

 

[Hoghead1]

I actually love the variety that God made possible in His original creation, and I often refer to dogs when I discuss this. However, dogs are still dogs, we have not seen any proven example of one species evolving into another completely different species. Evolution and change can occur WITHIN one species, but not in an evolution from one species to another.

Dogs were evolved by us from wolves, however. In at least one laboratory study, bacteria were induced to evolve into a new species of bacteria. So, yes, the evolution of a new species has been brought about and observed in the lab. Foxes have been selectively bread to take on more and more dog traits. Plus, you have tons of evidence from fossils, which are like frozen snap shots of nature at work. Also, you are apparently going on the unscientific distinction of "micro" vs "macro" evolution. In science, the two are one. The laws of nature are universal, include all spaces. that means it is arbitrary to post some sort of Stop sign saying evolution can't occur between the species as well. The laws of nature apply to all spaces, including those between the species. In fact, as AR Wallace observed, you really can't find any sharp, hard-and-fast dividing lines between species. Here, you might want to look at his vast collection of insect specimens.