Do YEC acknowledge tectonic plate movement?

[98cwitr]

Simple yes or no. Tectonic shifts move, on average, 2-12 cm per year CVO Website - Plate Tectonics and Sea-Floor Spreading

If we took the high number 12 and multiplied it by...say 6000 years we'd get about .44 miles of movement ((12*6000)*.393700787/12/5250). YEC might say:

12 cm is the current high, there's no telling that a massive event(s) (like the flood) couldn't have dramatically changed plate tectonics.

Yet, we find no evidence in the Bible for massive volcanic eruptions that would have occurred as a result.

Any YEC's have any insight?

 

[rcorlew]

When I was a classic YEC I did not have a problem with plate tectonics, in fact I felt that they were the best possible explanation for the "scattering" of the people following the tower of Babel.

In regards to the no major volcanism claim, check this out here for more information on massive volcanic events.

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Here is the actual study

Abstract. A sample of 52 individuals who purchased mitochondrial DNA testing to determine their female lineage was assembled after the fact from the customer files of DNA Consultants. All claim matrilineal descent from a Native American woman, usually named as Cherokee. The main criterion for inclusion in the study is that test subjects must have obtained results not placing them in the standard Native American haplogroups A, B, C or D, hence the use of the word “anomalous.” Most subjects reveal haplotypes that were unmatched anywhere else except among other participants. There proves to be a high degree of interrelatedness and common ancestral lines. Haplogroup T emerges as the largest lineage, followed by U, X, J and H. Similar proportions of these haplogroups are noted in the populations of Egypt, Israel and other parts of the East Mediterranean.

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One good caution though, the current observed rate of drift is @2 cm/yr, that does not mean that this current rate is the same rate of that has always been occurring. In fact, a faster drift rate would force a higher rate of water subduction in the Marianas Trench which would increase pressure beneath the plates due to excess steam building up, this higher pressure could no doubt be a likely primary cause for an increase in volcanism including massive flood basalt events.

 

[Siyha]

YouTube - ‪Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing‬‎

 

[Christ follower]

when i was in elementary school my teacher did all the math at the current average of movement and california was supposed to break into the ocean by the time i graduated high school...it didn't

 

[juvenissun]

Simple yes or no. Tectonic shifts move, on average, 2-12 cm per year CVO Website - Plate Tectonics and Sea-Floor Spreading

If we took the high number 12 and multiplied it by...say 6000 years we'd get about .44 miles of movement ((12*6000)*.393700787/12/5250). YEC might say:

12 cm is the current high, there's no telling that a massive event(s) (like the flood) couldn't have dramatically changed plate tectonics.

Yet, we find no evidence in the Bible for massive volcanic eruptions that would have occurred as a result.

Any YEC's have any insight?

Yes.

But, all the rest of what you implied are conditional. They are not necessary consequences of the Y/N answer. For example, we do not know if a plate was moving at 12 cm/yr rate 100 years ago.

 

[juvenissun]

YouTube - ‪Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing‬‎

Too bad that somebody spent a lot of time to make the nice animations, but only for a pile of junk narrations.

 

[rcorlew]

YouTube - ‪Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing‬‎

WOW! that has to be the worst attempt at science I have seen yet!

 

[Siyha]

WOW! that has to be the worst attempt at science I have seen yet!

They have a website that explains all the common criticism their model gets, including the formation of mountains.

If by "worst attempt at science" you actually mean, "most awesome and irrefutable you tube video" then I completely agree with you.

 

[rcorlew]

They have a website that explains all the common criticism their model gets, including the formation of mountains.

If by "worst attempt at science" you actually mean, "most awesome and irrefutable you tube video" then I completely agree with you.

If by irrefutable you mean that you do not even know were to start, YES!

And yes, this is probably the best youtube video ever!!!!!

The guy is right in one sense, the earth does grow over time, but that growth is roughly 1 inch a year or less and is accounted for by the space dust and other space debris that makes its way to earth.

 

[Cabal]

Simple yes or no. Tectonic shifts move, on average, 2-12 cm per year CVO Website - Plate Tectonics and Sea-Floor Spreading

If we took the high number 12 and multiplied it by...say 6000 years we'd get about .44 miles of movement ((12*6000)*.393700787/12/5250). YEC might say:

12 cm is the current high, there's no telling that a massive event(s) (like the flood) couldn't have dramatically changed plate tectonics.

Yet, we find no evidence in the Bible for massive volcanic eruptions that would have occurred as a result.

Any YEC's have any insight?

Disclaimer: I'm a TE

I dunno, this seems like the kind of "assume rate of process x is constant and extrapolate back 5 billion years" nonsense arguments YECs come up with.

And to be honest, one can fire those kinds of arguments right back at them, but the whole thing with YEC is they can just pull a "well things were different back then". "How?" "Goddidit!" on you.

 

[contango]

To use a very generic analogy, if someone dropped a coin from head height onto the ground it would fall fast and then stop, only then moving very short distances due to ground vibrations or whatever. Someone watching that coin once it had landed would see it move a little, figure it only ever moved very slightly and however much extrapolation they did from the movements they could observe they'd never necessarily figure out where it started.

So although that does fall rather neatly into the generic "well things were different back then in unknown and unspecified ways", I don't think it's automatically safe to assume that things were always the same. One of the fundamental assumptions for extrapolation to be of any value is that the same conditions applied outside of the measured period.

 

[Cabal]

So although that does fall rather neatly into the generic "well things were different back then in unknown and unspecified ways", I don't think it's automatically safe to assume that things were always the same. One of the fundamental assumptions for extrapolation to be of any value is that the same conditions applied outside of the measured period.

The thing is that such exceptional starting events are....well, exceptional. That doesn't mean things are assumed to be the same. Quite often YEC arguments fail by making that assumption for something that evidently changed over time, the lunar recession rate argument being a prime example.

The point is, when you have an omnipotent God that can be invoked-as-explanation at will, one can just handwave away objections due to things being "different", but then that makes one wonder why they bothered to make a naturalistic argument in the first place if they're that content to hurl it out the window at the first sign of objection.

 

[98cwitr]

none of the links for massive volcanic activity show that activity to having occurred in the time frame of the flood.

If the earth was only 6000 years old...and we take say 30 years out of that for know tectonic rates...that would mean that the AVERAGE rate before we discovered tectonics would have to be

1600 miles between south america and africa
5970 years to play with (roughly)
1600/5970 = .268 miles per year = 1407 feet per year = 3573 cm/year

 

[juvenissun]

Disclaimer: I'm a TE

I dunno, this seems like the kind of "assume rate of process x is constant and extrapolate back 5 billion years" nonsense arguments YECs come up with.

And to be honest, one can fire those kinds of arguments right back at them, but the whole thing with YEC is they can just pull a "well things were different back then". "How?" "Goddidit!" on you.

I thought this is a typical argument made most frequently by evolutionist.

YEC would say: 1 inch today, 1000 miles yesterday.

 

[juvenissun]

The thing is that such exceptional starting events are....well, exceptional. That doesn't mean things are assumed to be the same. Quite often YEC arguments fail by making that assumption for something that evidently changed over time, the lunar recession rate argument being a prime example.

The point is, when you have an omnipotent God that can be invoked-as-explanation at will, one can just handwave away objections due to things being "different", but then that makes one wonder why they bothered to make a naturalistic argument in the first place if they're that content to hurl it out the window at the first sign of objection.

It is a trap set for evolutionist. You are one fell into it. You denied one of the basic principle of evolution.

Science is a gift of God. What God does can mostly explained by science. We only know about 20% (?) of science set by God now.

 

[Cabal]

It is a trap set for evolutionist. You are one fell into it. You denied one of the basic principle of evolution.

Yes, which everyone knows is intimately connected with orbital mechanics

Science is a gift of God. What God does can mostly explained by science. We only know about 20% (?) of science set by God now.

And your source for this figure is....?

 

[contango]

The thing is that such exceptional starting events are....well, exceptional. That doesn't mean things are assumed to be the same. Quite often YEC arguments fail by making that assumption for something that evidently changed over time, the lunar recession rate argument being a prime example.

They appear exceptional but what I like about the analogy of dropping a coin is to show that it could equally be mundane. A one-off volcanic eruption spewing rocks and dust for thousands of miles wouldn't be reached as a conclusion by observing the rocks for any length of time, once the lava had cooled.

The point is, when you have an omnipotent God that can be invoked-as-explanation at will, one can just handwave away objections due to things being "different", but then that makes one wonder why they bothered to make a naturalistic argument in the first place if they're that content to hurl it out the window at the first sign of objection.

Agreed, there is often little point in preparing a carefully considered argument only to fall back on "well God changed the rules" when it struggles. There's no shame in accepting a theory doesn't necessarily cover all bases and refining it.

I have faith that my God isn't going to be disproved by a man in a lab coat, so even if I don't understand how something works (which is hardly a rare occurrence) it doesn't automatically mean that God didn't do it.

 

[Cabal]

I thought this is a typical argument made most frequently by evolutionist.

You thought wrong.

YEC would say: 1 inch today, 1000 miles yesterday.

Only when their attempts at constant extrapolation fail, and their sudden shifts usually cannot be explained unless a goddidit is invoked, which is what they should have done to start with, YECism is a one trick pony.

 

[Cabal]

They appear exceptional but what I like about the analogy of dropping a coin is to show that it could equally be mundane. A one-off volcanic eruption spewing rocks and dust for thousands of miles wouldn't be reached as a conclusion by observing the rocks for any length of time, once the lava had cooled.

It could be, but being "mundane" doesn't mean "likely". The fact that this could have happened everywhere and yet we still find consistent results from observation would have impossible odds.

 

[juvenissun]

Yes, which everyone knows is intimately connected with orbital mechanics



And your source for this figure is....?

If you want to talk about it, I am here to listen.

So, the moon was much closer to the earth. Any problem with that? If not, then what happened afterwards?