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Does Scripture account for the age of dynosaurs?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Quasar92, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. Quasar92

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    Dinosaur Tracks, the almost homemade-looking sign says on the side of Highway 160 just west of Tuba City, Arizona, on the way to the Grand Canyon. The expanse of fossils and footprints, scattered throughout this portion of the Painted Desert on a Navajo Indian reservation, attests to a dramatic moment in Earth’s history.

    The site lies some miles north of an ancient meteoric crater, and the story seems relatively clear from the evidence left behind. Some footprints indicate running—confusion as traffic collided in the final moments of a chaotic world. Yet, the majority of the footprints seem to face the direction of the crater—as if these large reptiles were transfixed by a fiery display in the sky. The world around them was collapsing. Precipitation had muddied the terrain. When the meteor hit, scorching heat burst in all directions, baking this dinosaur community right into earth—the footprints, the eggs, the dung and even an almost-entire dinosaur skeleton—all of it fossilized just off this wilderness highway.

    Paleontologists have left the remains there, says one of the Navajo locals who guides tourists around, though all the finds have been documented. This desert museum is one of many sites that attest to the destruction of a majestic breed of animals. These imposing creatures have captured the imagination of many a young boy, and the story as to their extinction has perplexed paleontologists, scientists and evolutionists, who can only theorize as to how the “age of reptiles” came to an end.

    Mainstream Christians, on the other hand, are leery of all this dinosaur talk, fearing that—if scientists are right about these creatures’ existence—the Bible’s credibility could be forever extinguished. They assume the Earth is 6,000 years old, and that the Bible attests to that fact. This either causes them to ignore fossil evidence or to concoct outlandish theories that dinosaurs lived between Adam and the great Flood of Noah’s day.

    On this point, traditional Christianity needs to be corrected. If scientists knew this, perhaps they would be less likely to dismiss the Bible as some mythical text that weaves a tale of a world much younger than they believe to exist. Science would, in fact, see the answer to the age-old mystery as to what happened to the dinosaurs! After all, science should be based on all knowledge—of which the Bible is the foundation!

    Religion’s Errors

    The answer is in the first two verses of the Holy Bible, yet no one seems to acknowledge it!

    “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). No biblical evidence suggests that this verse documents an event from 6,000 years ago—to the contrary!

    Verse 2 states: “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”

    Other verses confirm that God did not create the Earth in this disarray. The phrase “earth was without form” actually means, in the Hebrew, the Earth became without form and void (see Genesis 19:26 where the same Hebrew verb is used stating how Lot’s wife became a pillar of salt).

    How much time passed between the creation of Genesis 1:1 and the ensuing destruction of the Earth’s ecosystem as noted in verse 2? Though the Bible does not tell us—it could have been millions or billions of years—it does tell us how the Earth came to be in such a state.

    Genesis 1:2-10 indicate that the Earth was covered with water and that no sunlight was able to pierce through the impenetrable, lethal atmosphere. What God embarked on, according to this account, was a re-creation. This is what the Bible states occurred 6,000 years ago. Earth was re-inhabited with life. Psalm 104:30 shows that God renewed the face of the Earth.

    Understanding this timeline allows for dinosaurs to have existed much more than six millennia ago. It is only when so-called Bible believers lock themselves into a 6,000-year-old world that they have trouble with dinosaurs. This gives birth to the erroneous notion that dinosaurs had to exist until the time of the great Flood—another Earth-wide destruction. A simple study into the account of Noah will show that he brought some of every kind of animal onto the ark (see Genesis 6:19-20). If dinosaurs had existed, they would have been on the ark—and still would have existed in large enough numbers to be documented throughout man’s history.

    Older Than 6,000 Years!

    The Bible talks about the Earth before the re-creation of Genesis 1:2. An account like Isaiah 14:12-15 sheds light on this: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell [Hebrew: sheol, meaning grave, pit or exile], to the sides of the pit.”

    The Bible tells of an impressive angelic creature that rebelled against God before the creation of Adam. His attempt to launch a coup against God’s heavenly throne resulted in his being thrown back down to the already-existent planet Earth. Jesus Christ confirmed this during His earthly ministry: “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven,” He said (Luke 10:18). Thus, unprecedented Earth-wide destruction ensued!

    The story of the Bible is not about a young Earth, but an ancient one that was literally impacted by the rebellion of a great archangel so many years ago. Any details about the Earth after the re-creation are vastly different than those of the pre-Adamic world. Instead of an age where colossal reptiles roamed a planet hostile to human existence, this new age shows foliage and fruits, gardens and grains, and a dominant supply of warm-blooded mammals. This re-creation was a different Earth in that sense—a new cast of animals, where mammals take center stage while cold-blooded reptiles are more of a sideshow. Of course, the reptiles are vital to the ecosystem, but their role of dominance and grandeur is gone.

    This world, after the ruins of Lucifer’s rebellion were repaired, is one completely suited for warm-blooded humankind, created in the image and likeness of God, to have dominion (Genesis 1:26). Man could not have dominated a world in the age of the Tyrannosaurus Rex or the Brachiosaurus. Nor could he have survived. The fruits and vegetables, the meat, and even the pleasant beauty and sounds of birds and flowers, were all created for the age of man.

    Global Catastrophes

    Whether they believe the Bible or not, scientists must admit that the Bible does plainly allow for the existence of a pre-Adamic Earth and ecosystem, and for the catastrophic destruction of that world. What they will not accept is that the evidence they have uncovered proves the Bible’s explanation to be the answer to this age-old mystery!

    The fossil record proves the biblical explanation.

    Scientists look at the remains of the pre-Adamic world (our term, not theirs) and see fossils buried in what they say is an evolutionary order. That is what they assume—finding, we might add, no transitional fossils between these layers. This is something that still stumps the greatest scientists! The world, in truth, was actually teeming with all sorts of life of varying sizes. When destruction rained down on the Earth, rocks were laid down suddenly. Those creatures close to the impact of a meteor would have been cremated and/or buried and baked near the surface, as can be seen near that spot in the Painted Desert.

    This great extinction wiped out old and young, eggs and elderly, small and large. No other explanation can account for such a dying off of these prehistoric life forms—particularly the dinosaurs, which, for example, disappeared in all regions of the world. It caused the extinction of air, land and marine reptiles.

    For those who believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God, this explanation gels with this divinely inspired text. (For more on this, request a free copy of our booklets Does God Exist? and The Proof of the Bible.)

    These reptiles did not evolve into mammals. They were obliterated. The so-called Cenozoic era—the age of man’s existence on Earth, where all vegetation and life enable human survival—began after God re-created the Earth. Cenozoic rock, because it represents the age of man, consists of an entirely different set of sedimentary layers and fossils than was laid down in the pre-Adamic destruction mentioned in Genesis 1:2. In these more recent layers, not surprisingly, fossils of the warm-blooded mammals associated with man’s world predominate.

    What geologists have found in Cenozoic rock is another mass burial of life. This can be traced back to Noah’s Flood, occurring about 1,650 years after the re-creation of the Earth. This worldwide catastrophe was not as severe as the pre-Adamic one, as sea life was not extinguished.

    Bible and Science Can Coexist

    Rather than proving evolution, the layers of fossilized rock attest to supernatural forces at work in nature: first, an earth without oceans or water in Pr.8:24, huge meteor and comet strikes, massive volcanic action and the ensuing catastrophic Earth-wide flood God started the six day creation with, according to Ps.24:2 and 2 Pet.3:5; the second Flood of Noah’s time and the separation and dividing of the continents of the earth in Gen.10:25..

    Thus, there is no conflict between fossil record and biblical truth. Despite scientists’ attempts to ignore God and discard the Bible, the facts of science and God’s Word will always agree with and mutually amplify each other!

    From the February 2009 Trumpet Print Edition »

    By Ryan Malone


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    Anselm argued that Faith and Science followed with integrity would reach the same conclusion. The supposed enmity between faith and science is indeed as at least one world leader would put it fake news and alternative facts.
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

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    If you were count the genealogy of Jesus Christ to Adam through the line of Mary in Luke 3, you would get 6,000 years and not millions of years (taking into account people's life spans). Also, there is no gap theory. Nothing in Scripture supports it. There is no Day Age Theory. A day was defined by an evening and a morning. Scientific evidence suggests the Earth is young and not old. See this link article here. Dinosaurs were also onboard the Ark, too. They were the baby versions and not the adult versions. The dinosaurs eventually died out after the ice age that was caused by the global flood. Why God let the dinosaurs die out later instead of in the flood is more than likely to show that the Ark is symbolic of Jesus and how He saves all who are innocent and or righteous. For Jesus says the Scriptures testify of Him. In other words, the Bible is all about Jesus.
     
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    Also, the Bible is directly opposed to the thinking of this world. Scientists of this world are only making guesses as to the age of the Earth. They don't actually know how old the Earth actually is. But if you just read and believe the Bible, we get no impression that the Earth is millions of years old unless you start to insert things between verses (Which is adding to God's Word). However, there is a serious warning at the end of Revelation if you add to God's Word.
     
  5. Quasar92

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    Gen.1:1 and 2 took place long before the six days of creation/restoration you refer to in the above.

    GEOLOGY REVEALS: One Creation, One Restoration and Two Global Floods

    [Or one creation; destruction and restoration for days 1-4 and new creation for days 5-6] Here is startling proof -- from the Bible and geology -- demonstrating not only two widely separated creations, but two world-wide destructions! Few have understood this astonishing truth! Now, it stands revealed for all to see!

    Now for the first time, one of history's most fascinating stories can be told. The KEY to understanding the amazing history of the earth has been discovered. Contrary to what millions have been led to believe -- the true facts of science and the truth of your Bible agree! Theologians have long kept hidden this surprising truth. It conflicts with their theology. Atheistic professors have suppressed it. Science has refused to believe it. Only a few understand where the key which unlocks the amazing geologic history of the earth is. It has been in the FIRST TWO VERSES OF YOUR BIBLE all these years -- and you probably never noticed it.....

    Proof of Pre-Adamic Flood

    Notice the true facts of geology. The pre-Adamic catastrophe involved water. Laid down first by the swirling waters were the smaller sea creatures. They appear in the deepest sedimentary layers. The larger creatures of the land, by comparison, were able to flee to the higher hills. They were not drowned until the rising floodwaters spread over, then covered, the entire earth. Evolutionary geologists have discerned proof of this pre-Adamic flood. They know that rising floodwaters first swept up the ocean-bottom dwellers, the trilobites and the brachiopods, and other shell creatures of the sea. These ocean-bottom dwellers were scattered over wide areas. Later other sedimentary rocks with land life were laid down on top of them. That is exactly why fossils of sea creatures, such as the trilobite, SUDDENLY APPEAR as fossils in the DEEPEST sedimentary rocks.

    Not knowing the Bible reveals a pre-Adamic catastrophe destroyed all life, an amazed evolutionary geologist exclaimed, "... the SUDDEN APPEARANCE of ABUNDANT FOSSILS in the Cambrian {lowest rocks in which life is found} is remarkable" (Dunbar, "Historical Geology", p. 125). {Emphasis ours in entire article.}
    Why were these evolutionary geologists astounded to discover that complex fossils appear suddenly in the deepest sedimentary rocks?

    The theory of evolution has led the geologists to assume the older and deeper rocks were laid down over many millions of years. They assumed that in the deepest rocks they would find very simple fossil remains of evolving forms. Obviously, because of the theory of evolution they expected to find simple fossil forms that clearly showed the steps of evolution taking place. Because evolution has never taken place, they failed to find simple pre-trilobite forms!
    As the well-known evolutionary geologist Stokes said, "... we do not understand why fossils of marine invertebrates (without backbones) suddenly became plentiful ..." (Stokes, "Essentials of Earth History", p. 186)

    By L. E. Torrance.

    [Edit by Quasar: Scriptural facts supporting the above: Gen.1:2; 7:20; 8:3-5; Psalms 24:2; 2 Pet.3:5-6 and Proverbs 8:24].

    "But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed." 2 Pet.3:5-6 NIV.

    Source: Link taken down.


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  6. Bible Highlighter

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    Nowhere does any other verse or passage corroborate such a forced theory, though.
    It also goes against the structure of the text, as well.

    Genesis 1:1 tells us the summary of what is about to happen. Genesis 1:2-31 and Genesis 2:1-3 are the details of Genesis 1:1.

    Then Genesis 2:4-25 are even more details behind what is happening in Genesis 1:2-31 (Which is sort of like a summary for Genesis 2).
     
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  8. Phil 1:21

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    Christianity does not require us to believe this foolishness. It does make for some pretty good comedy though.

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  9. Ron Gurley

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    Is not there a verse in the Bible that ALLOWS for the "dinosaur age"? I can't find it unless it included in the word "beasts". "Sea Monsters"?

    Genesis 1:21
    God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

    Psalm 74:13
    You divided the sea by Your strength; You broke the heads of the sea monsters in the waters.

    Psalm 148:7
    Praise the Lord from the earth, Sea monsters and all deeps;
     
  10. Bible Highlighter

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    No. God was not telling Job about extinct dinosaurs.
    See the "Behemoth" in Job 40:15-24 (that sounds like a description of a brontosaurus), and see the "Leviathan" in Job 41:1-34 (that sounds like a description of a fire breathing dragon, i.e. a dinosaur). Note: These two great creatures are mentioned alongside other normal creatures or animals that we are familar with today (See Job 38 and Job 39).

    Conclusion:

    In the book of Job, we have a clear description of two dinosaurs mentioned alongside other animals as an example or point God wanted to make to Job. Now, you are faced with a choice to either consider the book of Job foolishiness or you can attempt to change what the book of Job says so as to fit your view of Science. For me, I will trust in God's Word.
     
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  11. Bible Highlighter

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    Let's read it in context.

    1 "Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
    2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
    3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
    4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
    5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
    6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
    7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
    8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
    9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
    10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
    11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
    12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
    13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
    14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I AM understanding; I have strength.
    15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
    16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
    17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
    18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
    19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
    20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
    21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

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    This is talking about JESUS!
    This is the context of the following verses:
    For it is written:
    "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).

    For long before the flesh and blood Incarnation by way a virgin named Mary (in the New Testament): The "Son of God" or the "Living Word" a.k.a. Jesus (Second person of the Godhead or the Trinity who is eternal and uncreated) took on the empty soulless shell of the body of angels before the world was created. In other words, Jesus took on an angel suit or temple. Jesus did not possess an angel. He merely took on the spirit body of an angel that was empty. So let's start reading.

    Jesus is Present Before the Beginning of the Creation of the World (Earth):

    22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
    23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
    24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
    25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
    26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

    How was Jesus brought forth?
    Does this mean Jesus was created?
    No. Jesus is God and He is eternal and uncreated and is a part of the Triune Godhead or Trinity.

    Jesus merey was brought forth within the physical creation by inhabiting an empty soulless shell of an angel body before the creation began. See this thread here (at CF) to learn more about Christ's pre-incarnate appearances within the Old Testament.

    Jesus is Present at the Six Day Creation:

    27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
    28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
    29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

    Jesus is Present with God and Men upon the Earth (Where Men can Dwell):

    30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
    31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

    Ending Words of Jesus to (us) the Reader:

    32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
    33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
    34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
    35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

    Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." (John 14:6).

    36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death."
    (Proverbs 8:1-36).


    Conclusion:

    There is nothing about another world existing before the world within Proverbs chapter 8. Proverbs 8:22-31 is talking about how Jesus existed before the world began (vs. 22-26), and how He witnessed the six day creation (vs. 27-29), and how He lived with God and men upon our Earth (vs. 30-31).

    I hope this helps;
    And may God's love shine upon you tonight, my friend.
     
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  12. Michael Collum

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    So how about that brontosaurus in Job? also that Plesiosaurus.

    (edit) already covered in an earlier post. no worries.
     
  13. Bible Highlighter

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    Also, the gap theory is also not true by the fact that Genesis 1:1 says that God created the heavens and the earth (singular) and He did not say earths (plural).
     
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    This thread ... is apparently occurring.
     
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    What is foolishness to some, is the treasure of others. Dinosaurs are creations of God, as you and I are. There are some of us who have curious minds that desire to know more about the obvious existence of creatures that do not appear in the Bible. If you think it's foolishness, then don't participate in this thread.


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    Was There Life BEFORE Adam? The tip of the iceberg:

    Many Christians today believe as an article of faith that the Bible teaches the earth was created 6,000 years ago. They dispute all the evidence of geology, paleontology and radiometric dating techniques. They argue that such evidence is invalid, grossly misunderstood, and misinterpreted. Some Neo-Creationists claim that all the earth's strata was due to the Noachian deluge, or the original process of Creation. They claim all Creation took place during a six day period approximately 6,000 years ago. What is the truth?

    by HOIM Staff

    The Bible is a reliable historical witness. However, the Bible nowhere says Creation occurred 6,000 years ago. Nor does it teach that the earth is flat, although Medieval theologians often assumed so and threatened anyone who would teach otherwise with excommunication and torture. The Middle Ages were a sad time in theological history. The supposedly enlightened Church pressured scientists such as Bruno and Galileo with the threat of bodily harm if they chose to believe the earth revolved around the sun.

    Biologist George Simpson was right when he observed, "As a matter of fact, most of the dogmatic religions have exhibited a perverse talent for taking the WRONG SIDE on the most important concepts of the material universe" (George Gaylord Simpson, This View of Life, p. 214).

    Irrational Theology

    Catholic theologians made a great mistake in the Middle Ages. They assumed the Scriptures taught things about the material universe which were, in fact, false interpretations or assumptions. Perhaps for the masses, it was enough to listen to and believe dogmas with the stamped sanction of "Church authority." But for THINKING men, "Renaissance Man," for scientists who wished us to "prove all things," as the Scriptures themselves tell us to do (I Thessalonians 5:21), mere recitation of Church authority or tradition was not enough.

    One author characterizes the problem this way: "The emotionally precious view of earth's centrality in a fixed, unchanging universe was crystallized by Ptolemy in the second century A.D., and then taken over by the Christian (i.e., Catholic) Church. What had been ancient pagan punishments for contradicting pagan theology became orthodox Christian punishments for questioning orthodox Christian dogma. Despite man's continued secret probing, fourteen centuries brought no serious challenger" (Robert Gorney, The Human Agenda, p. 27).

    In 1543 Copernicus published his theory of a heliocentric solar system. Although he was a Catholic priest, his theory met with strong opposition from the established Church. In 1600 Giordano Bruno, who endorsed Copernicus' theory, was burned alive at the stake in Rome for his stubborn heretical beliefs, among which was the heliocentric solar system!

    Galileo Galilei observed in 1604 that Copernicus had been right. Through the telescope, he observed that the earth and other planets DO revolve around the sun.

    But the clerics of that day did not agree. Martin Luther lambasted the heliocentric or sun-centered solar system. He reasoned that since Joshua had commanded the sun to stand still, it must have been the sun which was moving around the earth. One archbishop of the Catholic Church lampooned the followers of Galileo with a Scriptural pun: "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into the heavens?" he asked, quoting Acts 1:11 in the New Testament.

    During the Inquisition, the Catholic Church resisted the pressures of rational thinking men with the pronouncement: "If earth is a planet, and only one among several planets, it cannot be that any such great things have been done specially for it as Christian doctrine teaches. If there are other planets, since God makes nothing in vain, they must be inhabited; but how can their inhabitants be descended from Adam? How can they trace their origin to Noah's ark? How can they have been redeemed by the Saviour?" (Ibid., p. 28).

    Galileo's theory was branded by the Church as "of all heresies the most abominable, the most pernicious, the most scandalous."

    During the Middle Ages when ecclesiastical authority reigned supreme, the science of geology was attacked as "a dark art," as "infernal artillery," and as "calculated to tear up in the public mind every remaining attachment to Christianity" (p. 53). When scientists accumulated data to show the earth is far older than Archbishop Ussher's date of 4004 B.C., they were vigorously assailed as "infidels," as "atheists," and "heretics."

    Archbishop Ussher had concluded from his studies of the Bible that Creation must have been October 23, 4004 B.C. When fossil evidence was unearthed to indicate the earth was far older than that, the fossils were dismissed by some Church leaders as deliberate deceptions of the devil!

    Unfortunately, some of this Medieval thinking still exists, today. Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton -- these men were willing to challenge the dogmas of their day. They were called buffoons, they were labeled heretics, they were held up to shame and contempt by ecclesiastical authorities. But they advanced the cause of TRUTH.

    Today, too, we must at times take up shield and sword of the mind and spirit and CHALLENGE the Goliaths of modern dogma and conventional orthodoxy.

    We must remember the impassioned words of Oliver Cromwell, ruler of England centuries ago, when he said: "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."

    Blinders On Their Eyes

    Why is it that people sometimes insist upon wearing blinders upon their eyes? Why won't they READ, STUDY, LEARN, COMPARE, CHALLENGE, and "PROVE ALL THINGS," holding in abeyance things which they cannot prove one way or another? Why do people insist upon dogmas? The attitudes of many people is like the nervous captain of a ship lowering the anchor down to twenty feet, and then assuming that it must have reached bottom, because that's all the line left on the anchor!

    In 1832 citizens of Lancaster, Pennsylvania refused to allow their schoolhouse to be used for a discussion about railroads. They said: "Railroads are impossible and a great infidelity. If God had intended that his intelligent creatures should travel at the frightful speed of 17 miles an hour by steam he would have foretold it in the Holy Prophets. Such things as railroads are devices of Satan to lead immortal souls down to hell."

    Some religious people, today, still ascribe the entire geologic record to the Flood of Noah's time. Theologians used to turn to the Flood to explain the effects of erosion, mountain building, volcanism, and fossil remains. In the infancy of geological science, such a tendency could be well understood, and even pardoned. But, today, after TONS of geologic evidence, it seems strange that some religious folk still cling to the out-dated, antiquarian notions of the pre-scientific age. In order to rigorously cling to their notions of the Flood and a shortened chronology of the earth, they reject almost all the evidence of 150 years of geological investigation!

    But we should not condemn them too strongly, because on the other side of the fence we have the Neo-Darwinian evolutionists and the school of anti-catastrophism -- those MUDDLE-HEADED GEOLOGISTS and PALEONTOLOGISTS who have been BRAINWASHED to the exact opposite conclusion. That is, they stand on "uniformitarian" geology, and will not admit to any earthshaking, global catastrophes in the past. They discount ALL human testimony, all traditions, all legends from around the world; they IGNORE or attempt to explain away all evidence of a geological nature which supports any kind of catastrophism. Uniformitarian theory has, for all practical purposes, become to them ANOTHER RELIGION.

    What we see, then, is dogmatic individuals with BLINDERS on clinging to two opposing viewpoints, neither of which is right, neither of which is supported by the facts. Both unwilling to compromise, adamant in their authority, staunch in their belief. BOTH interpreting the evidence to fit their own theory.

    I take issue with both the neo-Creationists who REFUSE to accept the evidence of an earth which has existed for millions of years, and also with the neo-Darwinists who REFUSE to admit the striking geological evidence for Creation.

    Why does it seem so difficult for people to obtain a balance? Why do we humans become so emotionally involved with a particular belief, afraid, nervous, fearful and glandular? Emotional attachment to a false world concept, or fable, is a DANGEROUS thing. It is a little like falling in love with the wrong person -- it hurts.

    Infatuation with a false belief or theory can hurt just as bad as romantic infatuation. After the honeymoon, the young couple have to deal with reality. If they were hasty, and rushed into marriage with the wrong person, the trauma and life long pain and regret can be considerable. Even so, if you have clung to out-moded beliefs, or concepts which are not really in the Scriptures, unlearning that false "knowledge" can be difficult and painful at times. It is much more difficult to unlearn false beliefs than to learn something right the first time!

    So it is with geology and the existence of the world before Adam's time.

    Overwhelming Evidence

    All the geological and paleontological evidence PROVES beyond the slightest scintilla of a doubt that THERE WAS A WORLD BEFORE ADAM. Most of the dating techniques of scientists -- uranium-argon, potassium-thorium, racemization and thermaluminescence -- as well as observation and logic conclusively show that the rocks under our feet, the bones of ancient animals, and even the charcoal campfires of Paleo-Indians, Neanderthal man, and other ancient hominid remains, are MUCH OLDER than 6,000 years. There was a world before Adam. In fact, there were MANY ages before Adam, and these ages can be carefully distinguished through the study of paleontology, paleo-ecology, and related scientific disciplines.

    The evidence is INDISPUTABLE. Many independent dating techniques demonstrate that various hominid creatures lived about 500,000 years ago. More primitive types lived as long ago as 1-2,000,000 years. Those creatures, in some cases, were FAMILIAR with fire, used crude chipped stone tools such as hand axes, notched and saw-toothed implements, scrapers, engravers. They were PRE-ADAMIC CREATURES living in a PRE-ADAMIC WORLD. A world which ended in a great catastrophe.

    And before their time, OTHER worlds existed. The world of the dinosaurs ended about 70,000,000 years ago. That world, too, ended in a cosmic catastrophe.

    The pre-Adamic world was a world of growth, change, and progress. It was a world where new life forms were introduced from time to time.

    The fact that this world has been in existence for many millions of years is no longer a matter for debate. It is academic. Any serious author, today, must face squarely the many indications of time found in the geological record.

    Neo-Creationists believe we must choose either the Bible or science, particularly scientific dating methods. One typical Neo-Creationist argues:

    "The Bible-believing scientist must face squarely the question, In the area of natural science which shall supersede, the clear assertions of God's inspired Book, or modern man's interpretation of what he thinks he sees in nature?"

    This particular author continues: "According to Bible chronology only a few thousand years have passed since the creation of the ancestors of our modern plants and animals...Contrariwise, if one accepts the assumption that the inorganic radioisotope clocks were reset wherever they became associated with fossil-bearing material, then apparently at least 600 million years have passed since plants and animals first appeared successively from that time over a duration of some 600 million years" (Frank Lewis Marsh, Life, Man and Time, pp. 67-68).

    The truth is, there is NO CONTRADICTION between the Biblical record and scientific knowledge of the earth's past. Those who wish to uphold the Bible in the face of new evidence regarding early hominids, homo erectus, homo habilis, or other discoveries of Primitive Man-like creatures, need not worry. There is NO EVIDENCE that such creatures evolved into Modern man. Rather, they lived long ago in a world BEFORE ADAM WAS CREATED -- another world -- another age -- another time.

    Such discoveries tell us much about the ancient history of the earth. They tell us nothing, one way or the other, about the Scriptures.

    For much more:

    Was There Life Before Adam?



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  17. Philip_B

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    I think I covered that in post 2 on this thread.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

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    All I heard in that article as I was reading it was..."Science supports an Old Earth. Christians in the past failed to understand Science before, etc."

    Not very convincing. Scripture is what convinces me because that is my foundation. There is no indication in the text of the Bible of an Earth (or world) existing before the Earth. If this was so, then the Bible would talk a lot about it. But death came by Adam and it did not originate in some other world that was destroyed. To suggest there was sin and death in some other world changes the gospel. For in Adam all shall die, but in Christ, all shall be made alive. Also, most Old Earthers are against a global flood, too (And they think it was local). Yet, the Bible is clear that the Earth was destroyed by a global flood; In fact, the remaining scientific evidence is clear that a global flood hit our Earth, too. Seahells on the tops of mountains. The world is covered by mostly water. Underwater cities deep beneath the ocean floor.
     
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  19. Noxot

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    I don't think scripture does because it's not concerned with science and the history of the world dating back millions of years ago. the bible is concerned with mankind and God.
     
  20. Quasar92

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    Old earth age certified

    The evidence of death in Earth's geologic Deep-Time (revealed by the fossil record) is not a fact that disproves the Biblical narrative. On the contrary, it cannot be lightly dismissed in an honest and intelligent quest for Biblical truth. Yes, In the beginning God Created the heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1), but a Rightly-Divided literal reading of the Holy Bible reveals the seven-days of Genesis are not a description of the Earth's original creation, nor are they some enigmatic description of the Earth's geologic history. They are the Holy Spirit's inspired Scriptural account of how the Lord God Almighty regenerated the heavens and Earth after a previous world order was corrupted by Lucifer's rebellion and fall in Earth's ancient past (Isaiah 14:12-16 & Ezekiel 28:13-17).

    "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
    (Genesis 1:2 KJV)

    The Bible clearly says the Earth was already here before the work of the seven-days even begins. There is a vast time-gap between the first two verses of Genesis.

    The Genesis Gap Doctrine, commonly called the "Gap Theory" or "Ruin-Reconstruction" interpretation of Genesis, is not a modern-day interpretation of the Holy Bible. It is a theological teaching that was espoused by the fundamental Protestant faith long before Darwin's Theory of Evolution was published; at a time when the modern geological sciences were in still in their infancy. The Genesis Gap Doctrine does not contradict the accepted scientific evidence and observations that indicate an Earth that is at least 4.5 billion years old. It also explains why there is evidence of death observed in the Earth's fossil record extending at least three-billion years back into Deep-Time.

    Genesis 1:2 is the Holy Bible's first mystery. And the precise wording of this New Testament cross-reference to Genesis 1:2 provides the Biblical basis for correctly interpreting the full truth of the matter:

    "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
    (2 Pet 3:5-7 KJV)

    Contrary to popular neo-creationist interpretations, the above passage is NOT a reference to Noah's flood. And the only other place in the Bible where the Earth was covered in waters is Genesis 1:2. The ramifications are obvious: The literal wording of the Bible itself reveals that the "heavens and the earth, which are now" (made during the seven days) was not the first-time creation of all things, as is traditionally assumed. The Word of God is telling the prudent reader there were previous worlds (see Hebrews 1:2 & 11:3) on the face of this old Earth before God formed the present world of Adam and his descendants, modern Man.

    "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
    (Genesis 1:28 KJV)

    The Bible itself also provides insight into a great mystery in Earth's natural history at what is known as the Pleistocene - Holocene boundary. Science remains at a loss to definitively explain the Ice Age and the anomaly of the mysterious mega fauna extinctions across the face of the Earth about 13,000 to 10,000 Radio Carbon years ago. Geologic evidence from that period indicates extraordinary global massive volcanism, gigantic tidal waves, seismic activity on a vast scale and extreme temperature swings on the Earth over a geologically brief period of time. It is no coincidence that the Bible at Genesis 1:2 describes the Earth as flooded, desolate and in darkness in the time frame closely corresponding to these catastrophic events in the Earth's natural history. Clearly, these two mysteries are linked.

    Why the old "world that then was" ended, and why God made a new world and modern Man, requires a study into the ancient origins of Satan and the Angels. These things are revealed in detail by the Spirit in the wisdom and prophetic books of the Bible (see Job 38:4-11).

    The Earth has an ancient natural history that can be deciphered from the geologic record, but it also has an equally important ancient spiritual history that can only be deciphered from Rightly-Dividing the Holy Bible. Knowledge of both is required to fully comprehend the observations of modern Geology and the Book of Genesis. We pray you will find this material useful in your study of God's Holy Word.

    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    (Genesis 2:4 KJV)

    Source:http://kjvbible.org/


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