Do we always see?

[JohnEmmett]

It was a simple question. Do you find it difficult to explain?

Their report of the afterlife is always the same

 

[JohnEmmett]

If a thousand people visit Spain and report same


Then should it be difficult to accept their reports

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Their report of the afterlife is always the same

Well... no, it isn't. Some similarities can be expected due to similarities in brain physiology and of cultural and religious expectations & beliefs.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Some similarities can be expected due to similarities in brain physiology and of cultural and religious expectations & beliefs.

You understand it via materialism

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

You understand it via materialism

This is pretty much the only way to understand it since any non-material state is not demonstrable. No one has ever demonstrated that there is n afterlife, a soul, an ethereal plain, ghosts, gods, etc. I mean, you can make-up whatever you want with regard to the non-material and while there's no way to be proven wrong, there's also no way to demonstrate what you're presenting to be valid. So, this is what we can show. That brain activity and consciousness is undetachable from the physical brain.

 

[JohnEmmett]

This is pretty much the only way to understand it since … No one has ever demonstrated

the experiences of endless people confirm


but you lack interest hence you are unaware

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

the experiences of endless people confirm


but you lack interest hence you are unaware

I have loads of interest, but you and others who keep saying there's all this evidence offer nothing more than people who did not die claiming to have seen what life after death looks like. And that's it. Doesn't cut it, man.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Doesn't cut it, man.

Richard met God

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Richard met God

Oh, look, another not dead person claiming things that they can't demonstrate.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Oh, look, another not dead person claiming things that they can't demonstrate.

you appear to have a learning challenge

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

you appear to have a learning challenge

You are mistaken.

 

[JohnEmmett]

…

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I’m not trying to insult, just diagnose

Your "diagnosis" is way off.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You are mistaken.

I learn from his testimony…

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I learn from his testimony…

You accept his testimony as true without skepticism because it confirms what you already believe to be true. I do not. I need more.

But here, we've gone off on a tangent. This thread isn't really about NDE's. Bruce Willis is not dead nor has he experienced an NDE. Rather this thread is about whether consciousness (i.e. "The Soul") exists as a physical property of the brain or if it exists separately and whether people could exist without a functioning brain. Do you have anything to present with regard to that topic? I've asked for examples of people living normal, functional lives without brains and so far no one has offered any.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Do you have anything to present with regard to that topic? I've asked for

your asking is futile, you ask for what you can’t use

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

your asking is futile, you ask for what you can’t use

I know it's futile, because such a person does not exist because we are our brains.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I know it's futile, because such a person does not exist because we are our brains.

I can annoy you by asking for evidence…


And say whatever you provide is not evidence

 

[JohnEmmett]

Thus we are back at ground zero

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I can annoy you by asking for evidence…


And say whatever you provide is not evidence

All evidence is not created equal. People talking about things can be evidence that something is going on that needs further investigation, but it's not evidence of what's actually happening in the real world in and of itself. Testimony is notoriously unreliable. And, yes, I know that it's annoying to be asked to provide evidence for claims, but that's just how it is. That's how we actually learn about reality and what is actually true and not just made up. People can say all kinds of things are true. When they get annoyed when asked to provide evidence for their claims instead of just presenting the evidence it's telling.

Thus we are back at ground zero

From my perspective it doesn't feel like we ever left.