When we are in Christ and he in us we are implicitly forgiven, even before we ask (or even if we don't ask)
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When we are in Christ and he in us we are implicitly forgiven, even before we ask (or even if we don't ask)From the protestant point of view, please.
Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.
And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?
In this case a person should obey the government. Speeding increased the incidence of fatal accidents due to terminal velocity.From the protestant point of view, please.
Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.
And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?
Conduct prohibited by laws is either "malum in se" (wrong in itself) or "malum prohibitum" (wrong only because it is prohibited). Driving 65 mph in a 60 mph zone is malum prohibitum. There is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about driving 65 mph. However, speeding laws theoretically have as their foundation the notion that the maximum speed is what is safe and prudent for the driver, his or her passengers, and other motorists. So intentionally flaunting the speeding laws does have a moral dimension. Persistently putting oneself and others at risk by exceeding the posted speed limits could constitute sin. Driving 75 mph to the hospital in an emergency would not, since there is nothing wrong or immoral per se about driving 75 mph.What is the textual basis for your distinction?
Not ever sinning is not a mark of being saved. People who come to Jesus are often broken, with many deep rooted attitude problems that don't just go away. Some people have learned to lie to protect themselves from abuse. Some steal because they are in poverty. Some are full of unforgiveness (a much deeper problem than speeding or even lying). God is patient with us. He knows why we are the way we are, not just what we do. He will clean us up. Christians who are impatient with the progress of others have to be aware that they themselves are far from perfect.So would it be correct to say that someone else’s issue is lying instead of speeding. Can the also claim to be saved even while lying as much as you were previously speeding?
From the protestant point of view, please.
Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.
And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?
Yes, speeders go to hell.From the protestant point of view, please.
Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.
And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?
I guess the punishment would be eternal bumper to bumper traffic.
If in fact the speeder is a true Christian he is still saved. He is, at the moment, "quenching" the Holy Spirit. God would want us to obey the speed laws and my guess the speeder knows that as well, he is just not listening. Ultimately, there will be a high price to pay. The consequences can be devastating to the driver and to others. And when that day comes, he will repent and will have to make restitution. The secular law is a good one! So best to avoid the inevitable.From the protestant point of view, please.
Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.
And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?
If a person needs advice on the sin of speeding and breaking the law then obviously the Holy Spirit is speaking to that person and knows the answer already. Listen to the small still voice.What about speeders who live in relatively rural areas where not driving above the speed limit poses zero risk?
If a person needs advice on the sin of speeding and breaking the law then obviously the Holy Spirit is speaking to that person and knows the answer already. Listen to the small still voice.
As I am in the second half century of my life... I have learned that going even 5 mph faster... won't add up to a lot of saved time. Unless your driving a significant distance.I wouldn't label anyone a non-Christian for speeding. But it does call into question whether or not he is a serious Christian.
It also matters what we are talking about when we say "speeding." If the speed limit is 60 and you drift up to 65 on an open stretch of road, that's one thing, but if you routinely drive in a way that is likely to cause a crash, in a way that deliberately endangers another person's wellbeing...that cannot be right to do.
Where will they have to make "restitution" and what would that "restitution" be like?If in fact the speeder is a true Christian he is still saved. He is, at the moment, "quenching" the Holy Spirit. God would want us to obey the speed laws and my guess the speeder knows that as well, he is just not listening. Ultimately, there will be a high price to pay. The consequences can be devastating to the driver and to others. And when that day comes, he will repent and will have to make restitution. The secular law is a good one! So best to avoid the inevitable.
Blessings
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