Do some believe babies go to Hell?

[Der Alte]

Are babies part of the New Covenant?

Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

There is nothing in The Word of God about babies going to hell.

Jacob I loved Esau I hated?

And that was while they were in the womb?

I'm not saying that I believe babies don't go to heaven?

I totally hate the thought of that not being true.

But, who am I but, a little man?

M-Bob

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Jacob I loved Esau I hated?

And that was while they were in the womb?

I'm not saying that I believe babies don't go to heaven?

I totally hate the thought of that not being true.

But, who am I but, a little man?

M-Bob

Neither of those twins died as babies.
The story of those two individuals has many things to be taught and learned.
Quite many in fact.
Regarding what you posted shows God as omniscient .
He knew what would come about regarding the two and what they would represent.

 

[WolfGate]

Where I grew up we had a lot of people who believed stuff like that. You won't find a verse that definitively says one way or the other. However, you will find what I think is an applicable principle in the words of Christ.

Matthew 19:13-14 Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

Noting that the children were brought to him and did not come on their own, yet Jesus still indicates the kingdom of heaven is theirs. While God will do what He wants to do, that tells me that He almost certainly has mercy on children who have not yet reached a point where they were able to make a decision to follow Christ and brings them into heaven.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Where I grew up we had a lot of people who believed stuff like that. You won't find a verse that definitively says one way or the other. However, you will find what I think is an applicable principle in the words of Christ.

Matthew 19:13-14 Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

Noting that the children were brought to him and did not come on their own, yet Jesus still indicates the kingdom of heaven is theirs. While God will do what He wants to do, that tells me that He almost certainly has mercy on children who have not yet reached a point where they were able to make a decision to follow Christ and brings them into heaven.

Amen.
⚘

 

[Toro]

Matthew 18:3

Why speak of "becoming as" if they are doomed to hell?

That's like saying.

If you dont want a speeding ticket... be as a speeder.

If a child is innocent enough to be used in the example of those that we are to become in order to see Heaven... how much more innocent a baby?

As to the question to people believe such things? I'm sure, there us no limit to what some in humanity will choose to embrace as "truth".

 

[Danielwright2311]

Baby's are with out sin and are perfect in every way, there is not one baby with a sin full nature, not one.

So its impossible for them to enter torment of hell.

Hell is a punishment, what have any baby done for punishment?

 

[Hillsage]

Water doesn't save anyone , but a fish.
Baptism has absolutely nothing to do with the salvation of ones soul. The shed blood of Jesus Christ on The Cross of Calvary and the atonement for our sins however does.
A baby cannot intellectually make a decision to be baptized.
ALL babies who have passed for whatever reason are with the Lord.

I'm of the persuasion that water baptism does help 'save' the soul. But it does nothing to save 'the spirit'. A spirit which must be 'born again' before one even begins to 'work out the salvation of their soul'.

1PE 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

I think the conscience is in the soul realm of 'mind, will, emotion'

 

[step_by_step]

I don't believe that babies go to Hell. Though we are born as sinful creatures, babies don't have the ability to choose or reject Christ.

 

[St_Worm2]

Do some believe babies go to Hell?

Hi David, some have, over the millennia, believed/taught that babies who die end up in Hell (or in Limbo in the case of the RCC) because they 1. were not water baptized and/or 2. did not come to saving faith in Christ, but I do not believe this is true.

One of my problems with an idea like that is this, on what basis would God judge/condemn them

As @Der Alter has already pointed out for us, God does not judge us on the basis of our "nature". Rather, we are judged on the basis of what we do, or fail to do .. cf John 3:18.

God also judges us on the basis of what we know and understand of the law (even if it is on the basis of the law which is "written in our hearts" alone), but babies/toddlers/unborn children neither know nor can they understand anything. There is therefore no basis upon which God can judge & condemn them, none that I can see anyway.

This passage is not about babies, but it does tell us the basis for God's judgment of all who are outside of Christ (and are at least old enough to know and understand the difference between right/wrong .. even if they don't have access to the Torah). As best I can tell, God will not judge anyone on the basis of what they either do not know and/or do not understand.

Romans 2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,
15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.
16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.​

Yours and His,
David

 

[JerseyChristianSuperstar]

Genesis 18:25 - Shall not the Judge of all the Earth do right?

I believe babies go to Heaven. Just look at King David's son.

 

[Toro]

Hell is choice, not punishment.

We either choose the things of God, the ways of God,... or we choose the ways of the world. The ways that lead to death.

Either way He respects our choice.

Why would He force people that wanted NOTHING to do with Him in a temporary life to be forced to spend eternity in His presence?

Gods wrath was poured out on the cross for those that choose to follow Christ...

 

[Hillsage]

As always, those who want to 'pick' a favorite translation can come to many 'grave' errors concerning "eternal" doctrines.

ROM 7:25 Thanks be to God -- through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

The verse above is according to the infallible Nearly Inspired Version. I still prefer Young's Literal Translation for the same reasons all of us on the UR side do. Consistency is a jewel to be sought for. If Hades is correctly translated as the grave, sure they can die and go to HELL.

1CO 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave/hades, where is thy victory?

The lying pen of the scribes had to hide the only time Paul ever used the word translated HELL consistently, but here. Because it is speaking of CHRISTIANS!!! So why not infants too?

 

[Toro]

The bible version is not important. Just because YOU may not like one version doesnt mean its inferior.

Do you put God in such a small box that He CANT reach another's heart in anything beyond KJV?

We all speak and learn differently, if the Spirit is in someone how dare you speak against them because their version is "inferior " to yours... we are to be parts of the same body, not all parts have the same needs in the same way.

Oxygen introduced into the lungs is breathing/life Oxygen introduced into the blood stream is death.

Same thing, completely different results.

What is good for one may not be good for another, it doesnt make it inferior.

 

[ClementofA]

Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

So when Cain murdered Abel "there (was) no transgression" & "sin is not imputed"? And Cain automatically goes to heaven along with Adam & Eve & Steve & everyone else living around their times?

 

[Carlito R. Azurin]

I do not doubt that some Christians might profess such, but I have never heard such a doctrine preached or posted online. Now since there seems to be more Christians who believe that unbaptized babies go to Limbo, rather than Christians who believe that babies go to Hell, perhaps a new thread should be started in a few days or a few weeks re: the issue of Limbo for unbaptized babies and toddlers?

I believe that God has the exact same freedom in the Salvation of infant that he has on adult.

 

[Lazarus Short]

So when Cain murdered Abel "there (was) no transgression" & "sin is not imputed"? And Cain automatically goes to heaven along with Adam & Eve & Steve & everyone else living around their times?

Interestingly, God punished Cain, but never relegated him to Hell. God even marked him so no one would kill him.

No, I don't think or believe babies go to Hell, but then I don't believe anyone does. Hell is best found in pagan mythology.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Interestingly, God punished Cain, but never relegated him to Hell. God even marked him so no one would kill him.

No, I don't think or believe babies go to Hell, but then I don't believe anyone does. Hell is best found in pagan mythology.

But the lake of fire and second death are Scriptural.

 

[Thess]

I don't believe that but I would be interested to know if there is anyone here who believes that.

As a former Cremationist, and having cremated a few of God's infant miracles, it is most difficult to comprehend how anyone could think that these babies could be guilty of anything at all. Lord, have mercy on us.

 

[ClementofA]

Do you have any scripture that shows people are punished for a nature?

How is this query relevant to my post which said nothing about anyone being "punished"?

If you want to argue with the word of God, be my guest. I can't find the phrase "sin nature" anywhere in the NT.

Do you deny the fall of man and his sinful nature? Who does Rom.3:23 refer to, all humans or many humans? Who are the "all" who have sinned:

Rom.3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

What is the sin nature?
Are we all born sinners?
Did we all inherit sin from Adam and Eve?

Please explain to me how infants, small children, mentally handicapped etc. can be demon oppressed or possessed?

Explain how Satan entered Judas or demons enter men. That should provide you with the answer to your question.

Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.​

So when Cain murdered Abel "there (was) no transgression" & "sin is not imputed"? And Cain automatically goes to heaven along with Adam & Eve & Steve & everyone else living around their times?

If endless punishment were true & victims of infanticide all go to heaven