Do Pentecostals really speak in Languages? The Research

[Alithis]

in the realms of spiritual language.

"'Father, glorify Your name!” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” The crowd standing there heard it and said it had thundered.” Others said that an angel had spoken to Him."

interesting huh . some heard what they thought was an angel others heard thunder .. same voice to the closed hearted ..thunder to the spiritually open .. words spoken . tongues simply cannot be comprehended by the natural mind ..and as long as you try to comprehend it from the natural mind you will not see it.

and ps - i have not much doubt that much of the charismatic movement and form ..is the source of your studies .

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

touchy and rather carnal minded perspective ..

God being love. That touchy carnal thing is THE BODY God gave us for loving and other things.

It was carnal bodies (the usual) that were ECSTATIC , is that the right word?

Ever thought HOW MUCH RAPTURE THERE WOULD BE if everyone were kissing?

 

[Widlast]

the question i asked you is
...and the language of the holy Spirit who has no physical form being that he is "SPIRIT ' .. is his language "real" ?
.. answer that first

He does not have any specific language, but as God knows all languages.
Languages are made by mortal creatures.

 

[Widlast]

obviously a lot he said you have not been able to understand ..

Good job of dodging the issue. You must try harder.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Alithis said: ↑

...and the language of the holy Spirit who has no physical form being that he is "SPIRIT ' .. is his language "real" ?



Thought has no physical form. Thought IS language. (And incidentally, both are real.)

Thought IS language that has no physical form.

Is thought the ESSENCE of spirit,
or only modes of the real essence which is VITALITY?

 

[SteveCaruso]

not really .. your saying the tongues are not a real language based only upon mans carnal minded limited comprehension of what language is .. and limiting it to language that involves sound and syllable etc

But that is categorically what a language *is*. There is no other definition. A language that doesn't convey information is vain babbling.

to say modern tongues is not genuine cannot be said simply based on a carnal reasoning

It's a matter of testing all things and holding fast to that which is good. Modern tongues fail the Berean test and all examples found in the Bible.

 

[Alithis]

God being love. That touchy carnal thing is THE BODY God gave us for loving and other things.

It was carnal bodies (the usual) that were ECSTATIC , is that the right word?

Ever thought HOW MUCH RAPTURE THERE WOULD BE if everyone were kissing?

....nv

 

[Alithis]

He does not have any specific language, but as God knows all languages.
Languages are made by mortal creatures.

Not according to scripture. .genisis states otherwise.

 

[Alithis]

But that is categorically what a language *is*. There is no other definition. A language that doesn't convey information is vain babbling.



It's a matter of testing all things and holding fast to that which is good. Modern tongues fail the Berean test and all examples found in the Bible.

Its only a definition of what language is within the confines of the natural world. in the spiritual it is not so.
Of Able God said .".his blood cries to me from the ground"..so the spilt blood of the innocent speaks a language God knows..
Any way..i think you see my point. i like how youve wethered my unprossional undisciplined argumentative style.. so i want to stop now.

 

[SteveCaruso]

in the spiritual it is not so.

Show me where "spiritual" language in the Bible does not convey information.

As for blood "crying" you're grasping at straws. Stretching well understood idioms does not help your position an iota. Even Balaam's ass spoke understandably.

 

[Alithis]

Show me where "spiritual" language in the Bible does not convey information.

As for blood "crying" you're grasping at straws. Stretching well understood idioms does not help your position an iota. Even Balaam's ass spoke understandably.

so if it doesn't fit into your man made box -.....

well if we all apply that thinking (which is certainly carnal minded ) we may as well just throw out the bible and go get drunk

 

[Postvieww]

Yes, in one point in my life I was absorbed into a Pentecostal group based on G12 theology. They made it a point to "speak in tongues" to prove that you "had the Holy Spirit". I went through all of that indoctrination, a lots of "worship" with examples of people "speaking in tongues". Fasting, praying, the whole nine yards.

And then I was lucky enough to get out of it.

So anything you can say, I've seen.

My experience with people asking for Aramaic confirmation happened after all of that, as I'm one of the few folks who for about 15 years did genuine Aramaic translations for the public.

Sounds like that was a church you should have gotten out of. They are not all like that.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Sounds like that was a church you should have gotten out of. They are not all like that.

Granted, not all, but disproportionately so. Which is an indication.

 

[SteveCaruso]

so if it doesn't fit into your man made box -.....

well if we all apply that thinking (which is certainly carnal minded ) we may as well just throw out the bible and go get drunk

Your idea of "carnal minded" is a convenient chameleon. I'm asking you to show me examples from the Bible (the Bible is carnal minded now?) and you cannot.

 

[Widlast]

Not according to scripture. .genisis states otherwise.

Evidence please. Saying it don't make it so.

 

[Widlast]

Alithis said: ↑

...and the language of the holy Spirit who has no physical form being that he is "SPIRIT ' .. is his language "real" ?



Thought has no physical form. Thought IS language. (And incidentally, both are real.)

Thought IS language that has no physical form.

Is thought the ESSENCE of spirit,
or only modes of the real essence which is VITALITY?

Thus, if the mode of communication is thought alone, there is no LANGUAGE involved.
It is the direct transmission of concepts. Commonly called telepathy.

 

[Alithis]

Your idea of "carnal minded" is a convenient chameleon. I'm asking you to show me examples from the Bible (the Bible is carnal minded now?) and you cannot.

examples of what ?

 

[Alithis]

Evidence please. Saying it don't make it so.

and @SteveCaruso
read your bible ..isn't that the point ? God (not man )multiples the languages .. they all spoke one ..then suddenly the whole world was divided at the time of Nimrod into many languages and they could not understand one another .. interesting huh, in one instant they all spoke many different tongues . you see with god nothing is impossible .. now if God by HIS spirit causes us to speak TO God ..by HIS spirit just because a man comes along and says that does not fit what we define a language to be .. (to use your words ) "does not make it so " .

Stever here says its about fruits also and the fruits of many who speak in tongues don't match the claims they make and he is very correct in saying so . but those who use the natural understanding to effectively
"rubbish " the things of the Spirit better be bringing forth some pretty decent near perfect fruits ..or they are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black .

i mean , so many come and ask for you to translate their tongue (or what they perceive to be tongues )-this in itself is error . if they truly speak tongues in faith , why would they seek verification from the carnal world . they say with one hand they have faith hen with actions display they lack it . double standard to begin with . so are they speaking in tongues ? possible not .
but tongues, as are all the abilities given by the holy Spirit, are a tool for a purpose ..(fruits ) So if we are not going out , healing the sick ,telling the gospel , driving out demons ,baptising in jesus name and making more diciples who then do likewise .. it does not mater how much we sit and speak in tongues on a sunday or defend it .it is all meaningless if it does not bear fruit .
and it does not matter how much we sit around and speak against tongues with fins and fancy arguments ..if it does not bear fruits of obedience to the lord Jesus .. it is meaningless.

and on that note in NZ it is a sunny morning and there is an outreach group waiting my arrival as we are going out to heal the sick and preach the gospel.. you guys have a nice day ..or evening /

 

[Widlast]

and @SteveCaruso
read your bible ..isn't that the point ? God (not man )multiples the languages .. they all spoke one ..then suddenly the whole world was divided at the time of Nimrod into many languages and they could not understand one another .. interesting huh, in one instant they all spoke many different tongues . you see with god nothing is impossible .. now if God by HIS spirit causes us to speak TO God ..by HIS spirit just because a man comes along and says that does not fit what we define a language to be .. (to use your words ) "does not make it so " .

Stever here says its about fruits also and the fruits of many who speak in tongues don't match the claims they make and he is very correct in saying so . but those who use the natural understanding to effectively
"rubbish " the things of the Spirit better be bringing forth some pretty decent near perfect fruits ..or they are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black .

i mean , so many come and ask for you to translate their tongue (or what they perceive to be tongues )-this in itself is error . if they truly speak tongues in faith , why would they seek verification from the carnal world . they say with one hand they have faith hen with actions display they lack it . double standard to begin with . so are they speaking in tongues ? possible not .
but tongues, as are all the abilities given by the holy Spirit, are a tool for a purpose ..(fruits ) So if we are not going out , healing the sick ,telling the gospel , driving out demons ,baptising in jesus name and making more diciples who then do likewise .. it does not mater how much we sit and speak in tongues on a sunday or defend it .it is all meaningless if it does not bear fruit .
and it does not matter how much we sit around and speak against tongues with fins and fancy arguments ..if it does not bear fruits of obedience to the lord Jesus .. it is meaningless.

and on that note in NZ it is a sunny morning and there is an outreach group waiting my arrival as we are going out to heal the sick and preach the gospel.. you guys have a nice day ..or evening /

All that is cute, but has nothing to do with the point at hand.
BTW, name any one language that was "created" on that fateful day in Babel.
Other than Finnish and a couple of African languages, the history and sources of all human languages are known.
None of them started at Babel.

 

[SteveCaruso]

examples of what ?

Languages in the Bible like modern "tongues."