What happened in Acts was not the same with Corinthian conditions which you seem to ignore.
What you refer to is the particular event in Acts 2:5-11 when those from other countries heard the 120 from the upper room speaking in their foreign languages. In 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with
other tongues as the Spirit as giving them utterance.
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That event is precisely different than every other example in the new testament of believers speaking in unknown tongues.
In 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an
unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth
him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
The apostle Paul here stated that when a believer speaks in unknown tongues, it is unto God for no man understands him.. in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
Here Paul did not make a comparison with what happened in Acts 2:4-11, but he said that what he personally speaks, and what believers most often speak by utterance of the Holy Spirit is not of any human language.
You are ignoring the difference of 1 Cor.14:2 and erroneously demanding that all believers speak according to Acts 2:6,8. To hear in our own language.
However, if we English speaking Christians heard 'the unknown tongues' in our own language.. then it wouldn't really be unknown would it? What does that say of the Holy Spirit of God to give English as a supernatural utterance to those who speak English?
You do see the corner that you paint yourself into by insisting that unknown tongues speaking be according to Acts 2:4-11?
Do you see how flawed your reasoning has been?, and you weren't even aware of it, perhaps until now.
People could hear them exalting God requiring no interpreter. Again this is different from mockery in Corinth.
Your use of the word 'mockery' was not used by the apostle Paul in anything that he taught them concerning the operation of speaking in unknown tongues. Therefore you have no Biblical authority to call it 'mockery'. What you are calling it is your own private interpretation, which according to Peter in 2 Pet.1:20 is not inspired of God.
All is OK excepting that 1 Cor. 12:13 is nothing to do with speaking in unknown tongue. Even Paul says all cannot speak in unknown tongue; he recommends better gifts.
1 Cor.12:13 says For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether
we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
But I think that you meant to refer 1 Cor.12:30 which is teaching of ministry gifts (vs.4) as Paul mentioned in vss.29-30
Are all apostles?
are all prophets?
are all teachers?
are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
But, yes this involves the 1 Cor.14:2 kind of speaking in tongues for no man understands it, it is speaking in divine mysteries.
And yes. Not all believers who speak in those divine mysteries have a ministry gift. But what they speak is the kind of tongues that is the personal prayer of which there would not and should not be a need to interpret. Such as Jude speaks of in his epistle vss.20-21 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
That is it! It is his spirit, not the Holy Spirit. Notice small letter 's' for spirit.
Did you forget what you pointed out in a previous post to me what it says in 1 Cor.14:14 If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
In the amplified Bible that verse reads, If I pray in a tongue, my spirit by the Holy Spirit within me prays.
This agrees with Acts 2:4 and what Paul said in 1 Cor.14:18 I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all. In verse 15 he says, I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with my understanding also.
So, no, what you said is not it. You have spoken of your own thinking, and not of the Holy Spirit. For even though it is his or her spirit that speaks, it is by the Holy Spirit Who gives the utterance.
The Holy Spirit directly utters through a person; no tongue is unknown to Him, so there is no question of the Holy Spirit speaking an unknown tongue through a person and asking an agent to interpret that. Such second hand sales tactics are worldly antics!
The underlined of what you have said is not according to 1 Cor.14:13-14 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an
unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. Paul gives the overall reason why in vs14, What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
And in vs13 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
In the entire book of Acts no one spoke unknown tongue. You are mixing with Corinth: one is awesome demonstration another is spurious instinct.
There is no scripture in Act or in Corinth, or the other epistles that identifies the examples of speaking in tongues as being spurious instinct. That is your own erroneous opinion.
Do parents buy gifts for their children and invite neighbourhood kid to open that for them? No way. Each child will love to open his gift package.
As a child of God you have been given a gift package which you do not open. I cannot open it for you.
Why only the Holy Spirit, many will rush out of such noisy and misbehaved congregation!
It was only the believers in Corinth who were disorderly in their assembly, but after Paul's teachings they became orderly. Therefore, you are in error to call them or any congregation who conduct orderly assemblies 'misbehaved'.
Strange and new existing tongues, not unknown tongues. You are trying to equate the two.
You are misidentifying the divine mysteries that the apostle Paul in 1 Cor.14:2 called what he and all believers receive of and by the Holy Spirit.
That is during prophesying, not during unknown tongue drama.
The apostle Paul identified prophecy to be by the ministry gift of the interpretation in a known tongue what had been spoken in unknown tongues. 1 Cor.12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another
divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues.
And 1 Cor.14:1-4 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual
gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an
unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth
him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men
to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an
unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Jesus, Paul and chosen apostles and other disciples never spoke in unknown tongue publicly. Paul might have spoke privately.
Concerning Jesus not speaking in an unknown tongue. He didn't as all believers didn't during that time because the Holy Spirit had not yet been poured out on all believers.
John 7:37-39 On the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood up and called out in a loud voice, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. To the one who believes in Me, it is just as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him.’”He was speaking about the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were later to receive. For the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.
Concerning Paul speaking in an unknown tongue publically. Or, concerning those at Corinth speaking in an unknown tongue publically.. You seem to point out that Paul didn't as if it has some weight to it. But it doesn't have any weight to it.
1 Cor.14:5-6 I wish that all of you could speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified. Now brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
Is it remembered why the apostle Paul wrote to the churches? Is it remembered that he was under house arrest and couldn't visit them personally?
Your saying that Paul never spoke in tongues publically, as if he was always attending but just never did it, is absurd.
Paul taught the believers by his epistles how to speak in an unknown tongue publically in an orderly manner. Which implies that everyone is to do as he instructed.
The greater question is, who do you follow?
I follow Jesus who said in John 4:23-24 But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
And where it is recorded in Acts 1:4-5 And when they were gathered together, He commanded them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Paul strongly spoke against public nuisance of speaking in unknown tongue. Please read his letter with an open mind.
Are you appealing to me to have the 'open mind' that you have? That would require me to forsake all that I have from God and think like you do. It would require me to no longer have the Holy Spirit fellowship that the apostle Paul and all disciples of Christ, and all early church believers had.
Yours is not an open mind, it's a closed mind. No thank you.
The new comers will be appalled by animal insticts so displayed!
The 'being appalled' is of your own wild imagination.
The apostle Paul wrote concerning the new comers in 1 Cor.14:23-25 as I've already quoted., such will be convicted and declare that God is among those who in orderly manner operate in the ministry gifts of the Holy Spirit. And as already quoted., the new comers will see that the assembly worships God in spirit and truth.
You admit for nearly 2000 years unknown tongue speaking had ceased. It got revived in a fermented society.
I did not admit that. You are the one who says that it ceased. I said (I speak here in more detail) that there isn't any recorded testimonials and private epistles from ordinary believers of the practice, other than those of the various church fathers who wrote of it.
My saying that, is not admitting that it ceased, and certainly not for 2000 years. I also mentioned revivals of the 19th and 20th centuries, those are within the 2000 years.
Neither did I call it a fermented society. Those are your words. But on the other hand, the reviving does involve being stirred up and made aware of the living and active God that we worship.
You are very much wrong here. People, to show off, speak in unknown tongues but there is no body to interpret in many Pentecostal churches. So what happens to what they spoke? So your claim is obviously misplaced.
You saying that someone 'shows off' by speaking in an unknown tongue.., it might as well be said that someone 'shows off' by standing before the congregation and singing. Or, it might as well be said that the preacher 'shows off' when he stands in the pulpit and preaches his sermon.
I make that comparison because the apostle Paul said that public speaking the divine mysteries of God and giving the interpretation is/are ministry gifts. Just as singing, and preaching are.
I have attended a number of Charismatic churches and gatherings where the operation of the gifts of the Spirit are allowed to function. It's very much like 1 Cor.14:6 Now brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
And John 4:23-24, worshiping in the spirit according to I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
Concerning your claim that many Charismatic churches give no interpretation when an unknown tongues is spoken. Do you remember what you wrote in this post?
"there is no question of the Holy Spirit speaking an unknown tongue through a person and asking an agent to interpret that. Such second hand sales tactics are worldly antics!"
You apparently want it both ways. That's it's not right if a tongue goes uninterpreted. And it's also not right if it is interpreted.