Oh ok.......Larazus died and was risen.....But Jesus said that you never have to die, if you believe. Do you believe Him?Hello, I didn't add to scripture..I was stating that the verse is referring to in John 11:25 is about spiritual living even if we die physically...Larazus is dead physically in this incident...
I don't think so, there is no raped saints.
Time does not determine truth.
Hello, yes this refers to our spiritual life...we died spiritually through our sins before we made alive in Christ through our faith...therefore we continue to live in faith which is believing then we will never die spiritually again...Oh ok.......Larazus died and was risen.....But Jesus said that you never have to die, if you believe. Do you believe Him?
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
God never promises an easy life free of tribulation to his faithful. He promises that hardship and persecution will come for them to test them. God also allows for our own free will to make decisions, and yes, while all of us are sinners, most people choose not to harm others with their free will. Some, make other choices, that cause harm. God has respected our choice in the matter and will judge in His own time. So if a man chooses to do that... God will let it happen, but he will be judged for it.I know wordly women is not protected from rape.
But do God protect His chosen from rape?
There are martyred ones and God allowed men to stone them to death, a brutal, agonizing way to go. Those who cast the stones.. will get judgement in the end. But don't put faith in this flesh, it's gonna fail you, and bad things will happen to it. God promises they won't happen to the next body, but sin has already guaranteed they will happen to this one.I don't think so, there is no raped saints.
So you believe you will live, in this physical body, on this fallen earth, forever? By your reasoning, you'd be the only "True Christian" to ever exist. Even all of of the apostles, their flesh failed them. They are with Christ now, LIVING, but not in a physical body, but that will change when Christ remakes this world anew and perfect.Oh ok.......Larazus died and was risen.....But Jesus said that you never have to die, if you believe. Do you believe Him?
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
God never promises an easy life free of tribulation to his faithful. He promises that hardship and persecution will come for them to test them. God also allows for our own free will to make decisions, and yes, while all of us are sinners, most people choose not to harm others with their free will. Some, make other choices, that cause harm. God has respected our choice in the matter and will judge in his own time. So if a man chooses to do that... God will let it happen, but he will be judged for it.
Seeing things as God sees them is , for Biblical example, like "having the mind of Christ" (which is for all born again Ekklesia set apart by God for Himself in the world / out of every nation/ today.Absolutely, but unfortunately those things are the exception and not the norm.
- yes, the cities with too much UNbelief. So it is just as written, why failure is so prominent ....But we should not discount them, lack of faith is a big reason failure is so prominent.
This is the same kind of message the pastors in one populated country told their assemblies - don't worry! God will NOT let us suffer! We will all be raptured! .... then those same pastors wept for years, after a million of their church members were executed/martyred for their faith, with or without torture, rape and worse, and/or an unknown large number of the members DID WORSE THEMSELVES !!!!!!God is God of this world. Torment is not same as rape. I am from bulgarian orthodox church and we don't have raped saints. With one prayer for death, they died before this happen. God will not let this happen to any of his chosen. He is God of flesh and God of invisible.
Suppose also Lazarus, when Jesus commanded in a loud voice "COME OUT!",Suppose Noah, instead of building the ark, sat back and claimed "God will save us". Would God have enabled them to dog paddle all that time?
Sometimes the victim may be blamed, but I would not venture to say who or when.I understand, but tread carefully.....Because of the emotional nature of this subject, many would consider such questions to be blaming the victim. I dont think there is any reasoning to be had in such a topic, especially with those who dwell not mostly in the spirit. Since such is the case.....I believe these thought are best kept internal. We are not ready to hear that we could possibly bring such things on ourselves......or that we could possible prevent the same. So lets just leave these things to chance.
Sometimes the victim may be blamed, but I would not venture to say who or when.
I believe your attitude could be considered arrogant, selfish, and childish. Even Paul knew not to speak words that his audience werent able to bear......and you call this action cowardly?Frankly, I think your attitude is cowardly.
Yes, sometimes when there is no answer to be found, none should be given. not sure why a specific act of violence is being targeted when the same answered could be gathered from less violent and emotionally charged acts.I understand the rapist is always at fault, but the question is not about the rapist, but why God would or would not protect a victim of rape. We may as well also ask the question, Why God does not protect the babies murdered in the womb? It is not something we can give a simple answer for, hence my saying that there are many factors.
Read this thread.....did you find that all responses came from rational, well-mannered adult minds?Are we not adults in this discussion?
Yes, When the Savior asked me that question, I said: "Yay Lord."So you believe you will live, in this physical body, on this fallen earth, forever? By your reasoning, you'd be the only "True Christian" to ever exist. Even all of of the apostles, their flesh failed them. They are with Christ now, LIVING, but not in a physical body, but that will change when Christ remakes this world anew and perfect.
So it seems that your answer is "Yes But" or "Yes with conditions" : You have to be talking about Spiritual death only, you must imply "never dies AGAIN", or "shall not die" (as never die would not make much since in your interpretation). And If these conditions do not apply, the answer is "No Lord"Hello, yes this refers to our spiritual life...we died spiritually through our sins before we made alive in Christ through our faith...therefore we continue to live in faith which is believing then we will never die spiritually again...
If this verse is referring to physically living then obviously some believers should be alive physically today...
Raymond, I called it cowardly because your attitude denies personal responsibility.I call it wise.
If you reread my comments, without any preconceived notions, you would see that I, somewhat agreed with your but felt, that Others were not ready to hear it....so brace yourself. And I also spoke of no contention that I felt nor did I say you were giving any.Raymond, I called it cowardly because your attitude denies personal responsibility.
If a thief breaks into my car and steal my stuff, there are actions I could have taken to discourage the theft. The thief is still at fault for the theft and committed a crime, but did I leave my door unlocked? Did I park in a dangerous place? Did I leave items exposed? Taking personal responsibility to avoid and prevent a crime is wisdom, not "leaving it to chance."
Regarding contention, you began the contention. I merely pointed out that many factors are involved as to why God does or does not intervene. You implied I was foolish and might bring condemnation on rape victims.
Your comment is like so many other comments that refuse (not about rape, but faith) to acknowledge our part in believing the promises of God and are unwilling to acknowledge our lack of faith or unbelief. Oh, it was the will of God, some say, for this person to be sick or to have this horrible circumstance happen so God could be glorified.
When the disciples asked Jesus who sinned to cause the blind man to be born blind, Jesus's answer was not implying that God caused the man to be born blind for the glory of God, but rather the work of God would be manifest in healing him because of this fallen world.
Saying bad things happen as the will of God is a such a cop out. I am not saying you have said this, only that this is another example of excuses taken for not taking personal responsibility. Hiding our heads in the sand and saying it is "chance" is a cowardly point of view.
Exactly. While God could magically make things happen, He prefers our voluntary involvement and cooperation.Suppose also Lazarus, when Jesus commanded in a loud voice "COME OUT!",
had instead decided to stay laying down in the tomb, wrapped in the things he was wrapped in?
Suppose Phillip, when God told him to leave the grand revival and go to the desert, had instead gone to eat supper at Golden Koral , figuring God would take care of whatever - would the traveler from Ethiopia ever been told the truth then ? Would he ever have been immersed in the water in Jesus' Name and would he have been re-born, and would he have taken the GOSPEL back to Ethiopia and resulting in many there being saved ?
COOL!Exactly. While God could magically make things happen, He prefers our voluntary involvement and cooperation.
So no one should go evangelize to the homeless, the tribal, the imprisoned because it's too dangerous.
So, at least for the most part we are armed.
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