Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[Justatruthseeker]

Please don't try and derail another thread.

You mean don't ask you not to ignore the truth?????? You mean don't bring up data that falsifies the theory of evolution so you can continue in your Fairie Dust religious beliefs??????

If you can't handle the science then why are you discussing claimed evolution?

So you want me to ignore the data too along with you?

 

[Skaloop]

Yes, a rock will alter itself under the influence of extreme temperature (beyond what it can take, for example, 100°C.)

100 degrees Celcius? What rock can't take 100 degrees? How is 100 degrees in any way extreme when it comes to rocks. I've made rocks far hotter than 100 degrees and it didn't alter them at all.

 

[lasthero]

100 degrees Celcius? What rock can't take 100 degrees? How is 100 degrees in any way extreme when it comes to rocks. I've made rocks far hotter than 100 degrees and it didn't alter them at all.

I think he's confusing the temperature that water boils with the temperature that rocks melt.

 

[MoneyGuy]

I did not agree with myself about 7 or 8 years ago. It is normal.

Whenever God wants you to know it, then you start to know it. Many Christians never need to know this in all their lives.

Remember, life is not defined by biology, but by the Bible. So, most college graduates may not know what a life is.

How can you disagree with yourself?

 

[juvenissun]

So even though it shows that a rock does NOT perform one of the things needed in order to call it a life form, it is still alive.

How can it be alive if it fails the first test for being alive?

Not all lives do the same thing at the same capacity.
Human (no clothes) can tolerate temperature change of 40°C, rock can take about 250°C, but not more.

 

[juvenissun]

Completely different. That is a change caused by the water. The rock is not actively changing because of the water. It is passively changing. Life forms undergo ACTIVE changes, not passive ones.

I do not agree. As long as it changes, it fits the criterion.

Besides, when a chemical reaction happened spontaneously, it is active, not passive.

 

[juvenissun]

100 degrees Celcius? What rock can't take 100 degrees? How is 100 degrees in any way extreme when it comes to rocks. I've made rocks far hotter than 100 degrees and it didn't alter them at all.

Some rocks don't. But many rocks will.
Just like humans have various degree of tolerance.

 

[juvenissun]

I think he's confusing the temperature that water boils with the temperature that rocks melt.

No. I did not.

 

[juvenissun]

How can you disagree with yourself?

You don't do that? No wonder.
It is called "improvement".

 

[Skaloop]

Some rocks don't. But many rocks will.
Just like humans have various degree of tolerance.

Name one rock that will be "intolerant" of 100 degrees Celsius.

 

[lasthero]

No. I did not.

Oh. You're just a dunce, then. My bad.

 

[juvenissun]

Name one rock that will be "intolerant" of 100 degrees Celsius.

Several. For example: shale.

 

[Skaloop]

Several. For example: shale.

How so? How is shale intolerant of 100 degrees Celsius?

 

[46AND2]

lmao. I can't believe the argument about rock life is still in full swing.

Juve, do rocks have a metabolism? no? then they aren't alive.

/argument.

Seriously, this is perhaps the silliest argument I have ever seen an adult make. You simply must be pulling our legs.

 

[PsychoSarah]

lmao. I can't believe the argument about rock life is still in full swing.

Juve, do rocks have a metabolism? no? then they aren't alive.

/argument.

Seriously, this is perhaps the silliest argument I have ever seen an adult make. You simply must be pulling our legs.

If viruses aren't alive, rocks certainly aren't.

 

[juvenissun]

How so? How is shale intolerant of 100 degrees Celsius?

It starts to sweat.

 

[juvenissun]

lmao. I can't believe the argument about rock life is still in full swing.

Juve, do rocks have a metabolism? no? then they aren't alive.

/argument.

Seriously, this is perhaps the silliest argument I have ever seen an adult make. You simply must be pulling our legs.

Without giving me a strict definition, I would say yes.

Metabolism: intake energy -- chemical change -- output energy.

 

[juvenissun]

If viruses aren't alive, rocks certainly aren't.

alive: have physical and chemical activities.
Car: a life.

 

[46AND2]

Without giving me a strict definition, I would say yes.

Metabolism: intake energy -- chemical change -- output energy.

With that kind of definition, as it pertains to rock, it could apply to virtually anything. In fact, most of your argument about rock life, with your loose definitions, could apply to anything...like dead bodies. So by your rationale, even DEAD is ALIVE.

 

[Kylie]

I do not agree. As long as it changes, it fits the criterion.

Besides, when a chemical reaction happened spontaneously, it is active, not passive.

You couldn't be more wrong.

A chemical reaction is not controlled by the rock. There is no change in the rock which causes the reaction. It is the reaction which causes the change.

Besides, your definition means that an ice cube is alive because it can melt. Clearly ridiculous.