Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[Kylie]

Not all lives do the same thing at the same capacity.
Human (no clothes) can tolerate temperature change of 40°C, rock can take about 250°C, but not more.

And when a human is overheated like this, his/her body starts making changes to maintain a constant internal environment.

Show me how a rock does this.

 

[bhsmte]

lmao. I can't believe the argument about rock life is still in full swing.

Juve, do rocks have a metabolism? no? then they aren't alive.

/argument.

Seriously, this is perhaps the silliest argument I have ever seen an adult make. You simply must be pulling our legs.

This argument might make the cut for one of those youtube videos of actors spewing some of the incredible things fundamentalists say on CF.

 

[Skaloop]

It starts to sweat.

Not at 100 degrees Celsius.

 

[juvenissun]

With that kind of definition, as it pertains to rock, it could apply to virtually anything. In fact, most of your argument about rock life, with your loose definitions, could apply to anything...like dead bodies. So by your rationale, even DEAD is ALIVE.

I guess you are right.

If rock is not a life, then why should plant be a life?

 

[juvenissun]

You couldn't be more wrong.

A chemical reaction is not controlled by the rock. There is no change in the rock which causes the reaction. It is the reaction which causes the change.

Besides, your definition means that an ice cube is alive because it can melt. Clearly ridiculous.

Yes, chemical reactions ARE controlled by the rock. If A changed to B chemically, both A and B controlled the reaction.

I said the argument would be deeper than what you can handle. I suggest you to stop this line of argument.

 

[florida2]

You mean don't ask you not to ignore the truth?????? You mean don't bring up data that falsifies the theory of evolution so you can continue in your Fairie Dust religious beliefs??????

If you can't handle the science then why are you discussing claimed evolution?

So you want me to ignore the data too along with you?

Did I say that? No. Did I comment in any way on the merits of what you posted? No. Please don't put words in my mouth.

The discussion going on was about whether plants and rocks are alive. You then jump in posting about evolution and posting links about experiments about evolution which does not fit in with the topic being discussed at that point in the thread. That's the only reason I posted what I did.

 

[juvenissun]

And when a human is overheated like this, his/her body starts making changes to maintain a constant internal environment.

Show me how a rock does this.

Rock behaves like snake in that situation. The body temperature changes with the surrounding temperature.

 

[juvenissun]

Not at 100 degrees Celsius.

Yes. Some may may start to sweat at, for example, 60°C.

 

[florida2]

It starts to sweat.

Did I just read that?

How does a rock sweat? Show me an example of a rock sweating.

 

[PsychoSarah]

alive: have physical and chemical activities.
Car: a life.

You forgot reproduce and metabolize, among other things. For your information, rocks don't do either of those things as a system within themselves.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Gee, with some of the nonsense that gets spewed around here it's no wonder some people laugh at believers. What next, furniture is alive? Gotta run, my desk is calling me.

 

[Loudmouth]

alive: have physical and chemical activities.
Car: a life.

We keep feeding rope . . .

 

[Kylie]

Yes, chemical reactions ARE controlled by the rock. If A changed to B chemically, both A and B controlled the reaction.

I said the argument would be deeper than what you can handle. I suggest you to stop this line of argument.

You have no idea what you are talking about. It is a straightforward chemical reaction that requires no effort on the part of the rock. Just because A and B are involved, it does not mean they are actually CONTROLLING the reaction and dictating what changes are occurring.

A person, on the other hand, has hormones regulating different processes in the body, which the rock does not have.

 

[Kylie]

Rock behaves like snake in that situation. The body temperature changes with the surrounding temperature.

ANd they do not need to be alive in order to do that.

 

[essesai]

Take notice of the Bible verses describing creation.
“Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
We don't read God created various grass, herbs or trees according its kind. We read only that God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
No one of us know how was the process, why should we argue, there never occurred any evolution?
May be God's plan for the vegetation to evolve into species, who knows. But with creatures in the sea and creatures on the land we read, God created the great creatures of the sea ...according to their kinds, so is with birds and animals on land.
The creation man is even different. He created man in His own image.
We can only marvel at the very truth that all that is created is inferior to man and God has a definite plan for the creation. Praise the Lord!

 

[juvenissun]

ANd they do not need to be alive in order to do that.

If a rock behaved like a snake (on body temperature change), would you suspect that the rock is alive.

 

[juvenissun]

You have no idea what you are talking about. It is a straightforward chemical reaction that requires no effort on the part of the rock. Just because A and B are involved, it does not mean they are actually CONTROLLING the reaction and dictating what changes are occurring.

A person, on the other hand, has hormones regulating different processes in the body, which the rock does not have.

You are saying: A reacts to B, but C (a part of the system) is in control of the reaction.

Of course rocks do that all the time.

 

[Naturalism]

If a rock behaved like a snake (on body temperature change), would you suspect that the rock is alive.

No, if a rock had that one criteria covered it would still not be alive or considered "life".

Recall the list of criteria KTS provided the other week on how "life" is defined.

It's really very easy. Life either meets all those criteria & without exception all of them, else if, not life. Duh.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If a rock behaved like a snake (on body temperature change), would you suspect that the rock is alive.

Viruses react to many stimuli, they still aren't considered alive

 

[juvenissun]

No, if a rock had that one criteria covered it would still not be alive or considered "life".

Recall the list of criteria KTS provided the other week on how "life" is defined.

It's really very easy. Life either meets all those criteria & without exception all of them, else if, not life. Duh.

I just started to examine the criterion #1 under her request. Haven't got to the #2 yet.