Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[Subduction Zone]

Solely by naturalistic mechanisms and partially random? Prove it.

You seem to be forgetting a key part of the theory. Natural selection is the opposite of random.

 

[justlookinla]

You seem to be forgetting a key part of the theory. Natural selection is the opposite of random.

This is amazing. Read the supposition again. Note the phrase "partially random" (notice the double quotes).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, and where that first little life form came of doesn't matter to the theory of evolution.

He is trying to move the goal posts again. Which is amazingly hypocritical since the part of evolution that he has a problem with is man's common descent with other animals.

He has claimed to accept evolution in the past, but when it is pointed out that that includes our shared ancestry he tried to redefine the word.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is amazing. Read the supposition again. Note the phrase "partially random" (notice the double quotes).

Oops, you are right for once.

In that case I will point out that all of the evidence points only to evolution being only from naturalistic processes and that it is partially random. That is what all of the evidence shows. There is no evidence for your god.

If you want to claim there is evidence for your god the burden of proof is upon you.

In fact we would welcome new evidence.

So what is your evidence that a god was involved?

 

[Skaloop]

Solely by naturalistic mechanisms and partially random? Prove it.

I never said evolution is solely by naturalistic mechanisms; you never mentioned "naturalistic mechanisms" in your post I was replying to. I just said it's not solely random.

 

[justlookinla]

Oops, you are right for once.

In that case I will point out that all of the evidence points only to evolution being only from naturalistic processes and that it is partially random. That is what all of the evidence shows. There is no evidence for your god.

If you want to claim there is evidence for your god the burden of proof is upon you.

In fact we would welcome new evidence.

So what is your evidence that a god was involved?

Here, let me use your reasoning in my answer. Just because we don't have evidence today doesn't mean He doesn't exist, therefore God isn't a supernatural concept and exists.

 

[justlookinla]

I never said evolution is solely by naturalistic mechanisms; you never mentioned "naturalistic mechanisms" in your post I was replying to. I just said it's not solely random.

You're right, I left out the word "naturalistic". I've typed that dozens and dozens of times now and I think that's the first time that's happened. I meant "naturalistic mechanisms".

 

[stevevw]

The different views on evolution piece doesn't fly.

When polled, people are asked if they agree with the TOE states period. No one is stopping them from thinking a God started the process, but at the end of the day, they agree with what the TOE states.

In the United States, the majority of Christians agree with what the TOE states. In other advanced countries, the percentages of people who agree with the TOE are much higher, then the United States.

But those surveys havnt specified what they have meant by evolution so those who answered could have had different interpretations of what it was. The fact is many of them do believe in a theists type evolution which is a contradiction to a belief in the bible and some of the core beliefs of God and salvation. So I would argue that if you pressed many of these who say they believe in evolution they may well stumble as to what they actually mean. If they do believe in a darwinian type evolution then that will take things even further away from the core beliefs of Christians. So they would then be having to reconcile themselves with that. So like I said you have to look at the detail of what they mean as it opens up a bigger can of worms which needs even more explaining than evolution on its own.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here, let me use your reasoning in my answer. Just because we don't have evidence today doesn't mean He doesn't exist, therefore God isn't a supernatural concept and exists.

That is fine. But until there is evidence of a god's participation in evolution there is no reason to assume or even think that a god was part of it.

Show us the evidence and we will change our minds. That has always been our claims. We are not the close minded ones here.