Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[Kylie]

First, define life.
Then check the object according to the definition.

1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.
2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells — the basic units of life.
3. Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.
5. Adaptation: The ability to change over time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity, diet, and external factors.
6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion; for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism), and chemotaxis.
7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.

How's that for a definition of life?

Many biology people have defined it for me.
And I check the items against rock. I found rock is a life.

Show me that a rock does all the things on the list above. Then I will accept that a rock is alive.

 

[Dizredux]

How's that for a definition of life?

Show me that a rock does all the things on the list above. Then I will accept that a rock is alive.

I always liked the working definition of life from NASA

self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.

I bet that will drive Juve nuts.

Dizredux

 

[Naturalism]

You are using a biased criterion again.

May be kill is a word with implication. So, how about "destroy"? I cut down a corn. I did not kill it. I destroy it. If I do "kill" it, police will come after me.

Cutting corn is killing the corn stalk in the same way as cutting down a tree for firewood is killing the tree. Romanticize whatever semantics you want, but a thing that was living is not living after you "destroyed" it.

Quick Quiz. What happens to plants if they don't get enough water?

They wither and die.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are using a biased criterion again.

May be kill is a word with implication. So, how about "destroy"? I cut down a corn. I did not kill it. I destroy it. If I do "kill" it, police will come after me.

I am going to have to buy taller gollashes. This is getting hilarious.

Do the police show up when someone kills a deer, or kills a pheasant?

 

[lasthero]

Do the police show up when someone kills a deer, or kills a pheasant?

Sometimes.

Robin Hood: Men In Tights - YouTube

 

[Skaloop]

Many people are actively consider the possible form of alien life in the universe. Are you sure the criteria used on the earth are absolutely necessary to qualify something called a life? Have you heard the idea of silicon-based life? If so, what does "organic" mean in that case?

If you understand rock, you will see that a rock does satisfy the criteria you mentioned by having parallel functions. For example, the cell of a rock is mineral, etc.

Question. Do you acknowledge that human beings need to ingest living things (or, the remains of previously living things) as food in order to survive?

 

[juvenissun]

Question. Do you acknowledge that human beings need to ingest living things (or, the remains of previously living things) as food in order to survive?

What thing? Certainly not a "living" cabbage.
Buddhists eat veggies without any conscience barrier. They even know veggies are not life. Hindus treat everything as god. Do you have problem to constantly eat some of the gods?

 

[Naturalism]

What thing? Certainly not a "living" cabbage.
Buddhists eat veggies without any conscience barrier. They even know veggies are not life. Hindus treat everything as god. Do you have problem to constantly eat some of the gods?

Great. So now we're being told two other definitions of what is "living" or not is just as valid as your religion's view?

The lesson here should be that religions don't know squat about what really is or is not living.

 

[juvenissun]

Cutting corn is killing the corn stalk in the same way as cutting down a tree for firewood is killing the tree. Romanticize whatever semantics you want, but a thing that was living is not living after you "destroyed" it.

Quick Quiz. What happens to plants if they don't get enough water?

They wither and die.

If a plant is not treated as a life first, then the word death can not be used for it. They just appeared and disappeared. Basically, that what plants do. I weed my garden. I did not "kill" those grasses. I just recycle them into the ground and use them as part of the fertilizer.

The Bible is so wise. It even corrected a fundamental concept of biology.

 

[juvenissun]

Great. So now we're being told two other definitions of what is "living" or not is just as valid as your religion's view?

The lesson here should be that religions don't know squat about what really is or is not living.

No. The lesson is that YOU are brainwashed by biology, and never seriously ask: what is a life?

 

[juvenissun]

1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.
2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells — the basic units of life.
3. Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.
5. Adaptation: The ability to change over time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity, diet, and external factors.
6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion; for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism), and chemotaxis.
7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.

How's that for a definition of life?



Show me that a rock does all the things on the list above. Then I will accept that a rock is alive.

Take it one at a time. It could be a little bit deep:

Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

In order to change a rock, external energy must be available. Chemically it is called the activation energy. Without that energy, a rock is maintained in a state of homeostasis.

If you agreed on this, then quote me the next one and I will explain.

 

[juvenissun]

I always liked the working definition of life from NASA I bet that will drive Juve nuts.

Dizredux

Please show me the source. I like to see that.
It does not even apply in the solar system. If bacteria is found on Mars, can NASA claim the discovery of life on Mars based on what you said? It is a very stupid mistake.

 

[Skaloop]

What thing? Certainly not a "living" cabbage.
Buddhists eat veggies without any conscience barrier. They even know veggies are not life. Hindus treat everything as god. Do you have problem to constantly eat some of the gods?

I never specified the thing. I asked if consuming living or previously living things is necessary for a human to survive. It's a yes or no question.

 

[Naturalism]

If a plant is not treated as a life first, then the word death can not be used for it.

I suppose, but ignorance of what is going on doesn't change that it was alive and it's not after the cut it down.

They just appeared and disappeared. Basically, that what plants do.

Weird. Do rocks just appear and disappear? Nope. it can break into segmented pieces but it's still there, not living.

A seedling from an apple tree however can use the energy in its environment to grow into an apple tree and spawn apples with seeds that can in turn fall to the ground and start the cycle all over again. How can you not see this obvious difference between plants and rocks is funny.

I weed my garden. I did not "kill" those grasses. I just recycle them into the ground and use them as part of the fertilizer.

You did kill it. Again, KTS' response on defining "living".

http://www.christianforums.com/t7832911-27/#post66050699

The Bible is so wise. It even corrected a fundamental concept of biology.

Where it suggested that showing stripped patterns to a pregnant mother results in stripped patterns for the offspring?

 

[Naturalism]

No. The lesson is that YOU are brainwashed by biology, and never seriously ask: what is a life?

Projecting again are we?

 

[Naturalism]

Please show me the source. I like to see that.

Marvel at it.

Let me google that for you

It does not even apply in the solar system. If bacteria is found on Mars, can NASA claim the discovery of life on Mars based on what you said? It is a very stupid mistake.

If bacteria is found on Mars then yes they found life on mars.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Take it one at a time. It could be a little bit deep:

Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

In order to change a rock, external energy must be available. Chemically it is called the activation energy. Without that energy, a rock is maintained in a state of homeostasis.

Lol, poor juve, your rock statement shows you haven't understood the concept of homeostasis.

If you agreed on this, then quote me the next one and I will explain.

You'll need to have another try at homeostasis before you get to move on. I'm guessing it could take you a while.

 

[Naturalism]

Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

In order to change a rock, external energy must be available.

Same thing for living things, their changes come at the expense of energy.

Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

What this means is that living things have the ability to self regulate for instance temperature, whereas a rock cannot. Get it yet?

Can a rock qualify all the other criteria that fits & is required for living things? I have feeling it's a little too deep for you.

2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells — the basic units of life.

3. Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization
(homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.

4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.

5. Adaptation: The ability to change over time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity, diet, and external factors.

6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion; for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism), and chemotaxis.

7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.

 

[Dizredux]

Please show me the source.

Sure....easy to do.
Defining Life

I like to see that.
It does not even apply in the solar system. If bacteria is found on Mars, can NASA claim the discovery of life on Mars based on what you said?

Well yes they can. Do you know what a working definition is?

It is a very stupid mistake.

With that criticism especially from you, I sure NASA will repent and not ever ever bring it up again. Cross their hearts and hope to die if they do.

Dizredux, shaking his head in wonder.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You are using a biased criterion again.

May be kill is a word with implication. So, how about "destroy"? I cut down a corn. I did not kill it. I destroy it. If I do "kill" it, police will come after me.

Jesus's words, that seeds die so that plants might grow to live as whole. The bible never claims once that plants aren't alive.