Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[Kylie]

According to Kent Hovind, It most certainly can.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Yes, well, we all know what Kent Hovind is, don't we?

 

[Kylie]

Hey, Juve, lemme ask you something.

How do I tell if something is alive or not? What test can I do? What do I need to check for?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, well, we all know what Kent Hovind is, don't we?

An Italian seismologist?

A chemist for Chemie Grünenthal?

A cruciverbalist for the IAU?

 

[Only Me]

No that money [gold] will never see the light of day again it will stay locked away for generations to be used by the families in the future, it will start dynasties that will be insulated from every rise and fall in the worlds fortunes like the Vanderbilt family.

AV1611VET please don't run away with the idea that Americans don't like socialism because they love it.
You don't believe me do you? check this out, I stopped at 31, if you want I can give you another 31.

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

1. The Military/Defence - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

8. Bridges - Along with our highways, our government used your taxpayer dollars to build bridges. This allows the public to travel across rivers without having to sail or swim.

9. Garbage Collection - Like having your garbage collected once a week instead of having to drive it to the landfill yourself? Thank socialism.

10. Public Landfills - Taxpayer dollars are used to have places to dump all of our garbage that is collected by taxpayer funded garbage men.

11. War - That's right! War would not be possible without socialism. Your tax dollars are used to fight wars for your country. This is Big Government at it's biggest. Private companies don't attack other countries, at least not yet. Government is the only entity in America that can defend us from foreign enemies and our tax dollars are used for every second of it. Socialism has brought down Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Bin Laden. War may very well be the most socialist thing on this list.

12. Farm Subsidies - Our government uses taxpayer funds to pay farmers and businesses to provide their income and keep them growing food for the public.

13. CIA - The Central Intelligence Agency is vital to America's security. The CIA is completely taxpayer funded to protect the public from enemies.

14. FBI - The Federal bureau of investigations is a taxpayer funded government agency.

15. Congressional Health Care - As Republicans in congress warn us of the evils of government-run health care, most of them are covered by taxpayer-funded government-run health care. You literally pay for their health care while they tell you that paying for your neighbours health care through a public option or single-payer system is socialism. They are 100% correct, it is socialism. They're just not telling you that they like their socialist health care, they just don't think you should have it. They are afraid you might like it better than the private insurance you have now that funds their campaigns and gives them money to push what is best for them and not for you. Members of congress are free to opt out of their evil government health care, but most of them don't because deep down, they like socialism too.

16. Polio Vaccine - In the 1950's polio ravaged the United States. Until Dr. Jonas Salk invented a cure, finally ridding America of this terrible disease. Dr. Salk could have sold his vaccine in the free market and made millions and millions of dollars. Instead he gave it to the federal government to begin eradicating polio. He said that he made plenty of money as a scientist and felt it was too important to try and profit from or create a business around.

17. EPA - Republicans hate this taxpayer-funded government program because they have the nerve to tell corporations that they may have to follow environmental rules ad regulations for the greater good of the earth and the people who live on it. But if you don't like breathing mercury, drinking dirty water, and breathing in chemicals, you should like this example of socialism working for the people.

18. Social Security - You pay a tax to help ensure that our grandparents and senior citizens of America have money to live off of when they are retired or too elderly to work. I love hearing rich people [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] about this one because the truth is that they do not pay a social security tax, like most payroll taxes. This little piece of socialism helps prevent our senior citizens from sinking into poverty and starving to death.

19. Museums - Many museums are privately owned by organizations and groups, but many are also taxpayer-funded state, national, and federal museums.

20. Public Schools - Can't afford to send your children to an expensive private school? Thanks to socialism and government, you child can still get an education. Public education has been under attack for decades in this country by the radical right because public schools don't teach Christianity to your children and it enables people like Barack Obama to work hard, gain scholarships, and eventually become President of the United States.

21. Jail/Prison System - Many murders and criminals are behind bars right now and not out on the streets because of our taxpayer-funded, federal and state run jails and prisons. Taxpayer money is collected and used to help protect all of society from murders, molesters, rapist, etc. I know there's a lot of disagreement and controversy about how to handle our prison system, but I think we can all agree that serial killers should not be freed into society. There are also many private prisons in the United States. However, they have a higher escape rate than their socialist counterpart. Besides, don't you see the bad incentives in having a private prison system that profits from having people in prison? Since a business's top goal is to make more money than the year before, the only feasible agenda would be to get everyone in prison.

22. Corporate/Business Subsidies - This is the type of socialism that is acceptable in the Republican party. You tax dollars are given to big corporations to do things they should be doing anyway out of morals and ethics. Like not sending jobs overseas and hiring people. Wouldn't you like a nice big check just for not breaking the law? To be fair though, many businesses do earn their subsidies by advancing green technology and practice, donating to charity, helping communities, etc. They aren't all bad. People just get mad when big billionaire oil companies get billions of their taxpayer dollars while they're paying $4 at the pump. For the corporations that don't earn their subsidies other than donating to their very own political party, it's merely welfare. Though however you look at it, it is socialism.

23. Veteran's (VA) Health Care - Our soldiers bravely go to foreign countries and risk their lives at the request of their government and the American people. For those who survive, we as a country feel committed and obligated to ensure that they have everything they need for the rest of their lives for their service to us in which we could never fully repay. So we the taxpayers fund their health care in a government-run single-payer system for veterans. Many soldiers return with mental and/or physical health issues that would cost them thousands in a private health care plan. Socialism funds the military, the overall war, and also takes care of our troops when they return home.

24. Public Parks - Like going to the park on a sunny day? Just being able to walk right in, or at the worse pay a small fee? This is once again the work of socialism. If it were private, it wouldn't be a park, it would be someones back yard. That small or non-existent fee will turn into a $15 fee faster than you can say "No Trespassing".

25. All Elected Government Officials - From the Supreme Court, to the President of the United States and all the way down to the County Dog Catcher, taxpayers pay their salary and provide the funding for them to do their job. We pay for every aspect of their job. So in a sense, I guess you could say our whole country is run on socialism.

26. Food Stamps - Republicans fill with bitter contempt knowing that our government at the expense of the taxpayer is giving poor people money to buy food they couldn't otherwise afford. This, like welfare, is what the right thinks socialism is all about, along with mass murder. However, just like corporate welfare, welfare is socialism. I'll just end this one with a quick story. I have been down and out in periods of my life and sought assistance via food stamps. Even though I was what anyone would consider poor, I was not poor enough to get food stamps. Which means people who do get them, must really, really need them. As far as my personal experience, they weren't thrown around like candy the way the right would have you believe.

27. Sewer System - Do you like having a sewer system to remove waste and prevent pollution and disease from seeping into our environment? Thank the taxpayers of America and the socialist system it operates in.

28. Medicare - Medicare is one of the most liked socialist programs in America. Most of us don't mind paying taxes to provide our senior citizens with health care and hope the next generation will do the same for us. If you don't believe me, just look at almost any poll. Most seniors would not be able to afford private health care. So this form of socialism is a life saver for this nation's grandparents and senior citizens.

29. Court System - Whether it's the murder trial of the century or a case in a small claims court, the taxpayers of America fully fund our courts and legal process. You may pay for your own lawyer, but the courtroom, judge, and jury is paid for through socialist means.

30. Bird Flu Vaccine - You don't have bird flu right now and probably aren't worried about it because our federal government used taxpayer funds to pump vaccines all over America.

31. G.I. Bill - The G.I. bill allows veterans to pursue an education by using taxpayer dollars to help them pay for most of their schooling. It also helps them with loans, savings, and unemployment benefits.

Do you still think you don't like socialism AV1611VET? you don't like it you love it.

Americans have been told all their lives to hate socialism little realising that they couldn't survive without it.

Just tell me if you want another 31 examples, it would be no trouble.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you still think you don't like socialism AV1611VET? you don't like it you love it.

Americans have been told all their lives to hate socialism little realising that they couldn't survive without it.

You do know that NAZI is an acronym for socialism, do you not?

 

[Only Me]

You do know that NAZI is an acronym for socialism, do you not?

Yes in the same way that KLU KLUX KLAN is an acronym for the American Republican party.

Life for you must be one big lie.

 

[juvenissun]

Hey, Juve, lemme ask you something.

How do I tell if something is alive or not? What test can I do? What do I need to check for?

First, define life.
Then check the object according to the definition.

Many biology people have defined it for me.
And I check the items against rock. I found rock is a life.

 

[juvenissun]

No, it doesn't. Show me one verse that says plants aren't alive. Don't make inferences, don't read I to verses.

Lord Jesus killed a tree mercilessly.

 

[Delphiki]

You do know that NAZI is an acronym for socialism, do you not?

It's actually short for Nationalist Socialist.

And because the Nazi's were considered socialists doesn't mean socialists are necessarily Nazis. By your reasoning, anyone who is patriotic is also a Nazi.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

First, define life.
Then check the object according to the definition.

Many biology people have defined it for me.
And I check the items against rock. I found rock is a life.

Lol, one can just imagine your biology teacher rolling his eyes. No wonder you ended up working in an Indian call centre.

 

[bhsmte]

What on earth is "embedded age science"?

Even "creation science" is a contradiction in terms, IMO.

And for the record, if they did, I'll bet you guys would become one right quick, wouldn't you?

You know how it is, so many Christians like to call science a religion, so I thought I would give it a shot the opposite way, see what it feels like.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes in the same way that KLU KLUX KLAN is an acronym for the American Republican party.

FYI, it's KU KLUX KLAN.

I want you to be politically correct.

Life for you must be one big lie.

I think you have a problem with this country that needs to be taken to another sectiion of CF.

 

[Only Me]

FYI, it's KU KLUX KLAN.

I want you to be politically correct.

Thank you.

I think you have a problem with this country that needs to be taken to another sectiion of CF.

There is nothing wrong with the county that a good education system wouldn't cure, at the moment it seems be run for the benefit of all the village idiots.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is nothing wrong with the county that a good education system wouldn't cure,

I find that most people who yak about "education is the key to fixing [whatever]" don't work in the education field.

It's easy to just cram everyone into the academic system and expect the next generation to kick start some kind of revival, isn't it?

FYI, you're overlooking a very important economic principle: supply and demand.

England took advantage of this and trebled their tuition.

So please, by all means, keep harping on education, and you'll get an education that'll have you swarming the wrong car to voice dissent.

In fact, let's all just take you scientists' advice and mosey down to our local colleges' registration offices and sign up for college.

The six o'clock news should be hilarious.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Lord Jesus killed a tree mercilessly.

Killed the tree, you just admitted it was alive.

 

[Naturalism]

First, define life.
Then check the object according to the definition.

Many biology people have defined it for me.
And I check the items against rock. I found rock is a life.

A rock is inorganic, but that alone it doesn't qualify as life or living but we can go further. Life has properties like a metabolism in which it ingests energy to sustain itself, rocks can't do that. Life also reproduces, rocks can't do that. Life has RNA/DNA that is used for replication of cells and reproduction, rocks have neither. Keep going?

 

[lasthero]

I'm not sure I can take this place, anymore. An argument over whether or not rocks are alive - that might be the straw that breaks my back.

 

[46AND2]

I'm not sure I can take this place, anymore. An argument over whether or not rocks are alive - that might be the straw that breaks my back.

No kidding.

You know, I mentioned to some people at work that there are still people who believe the earth is flat. You should have seen their looks of incredulity. Classic. Can't wait to tell them about this one.

 

[juvenissun]

A rock is inorganic, but that alone it doesn't qualify as life or living but we can go further. Life has properties like a metabolism in which it ingests energy to sustain itself, rocks can't do that. Life also reproduces, rocks can't do that. Life has RNA/DNA that is used for replication of cells and reproduction, rocks have neither. Keep going?

Many people are actively consider the possible form of alien life in the universe. Are you sure the criteria used on the earth are absolutely necessary to qualify something called a life? Have you heard the idea of silicon-based life? If so, what does "organic" mean in that case?

If you understand rock, you will see that a rock does satisfy the criteria you mentioned by having parallel functions. For example, the cell of a rock is mineral, etc.

 

[juvenissun]

Killed the tree, you just admitted it was alive.

You are using a biased criterion again.

May be kill is a word with implication. So, how about "destroy"? I cut down a corn. I did not kill it. I destroy it. If I do "kill" it, police will come after me.