Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[CabVet]

Really, the definition of life is a subjective matter and everyone posting is correct.

No. Juvenissun is not correct. Yes, defining life is complex, but there is not a single definition of life that you can use to show that a rock is life and a plant is not.

Here are some additional thoughts pasted from Wikipedia and an answer site.

At a granular level, rocks are composed of grains of minerals, which, in turn, are homogeneous solids formed from a chemical compound that is arranged in an orderly manner.

Rock (geology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, not life.

Atomics physics affirms that all matter is alive in an ovidian cosmos of perpetual metamorphosis, where Ovid was an ancient poet who indicated that all things are in a state of change and transformation. In which case as the matter that forms a rock is more stable than that in a human being and the form lasts longer, it could indeed be argued that a rock is more alive than a human. Simply the correct answer is if you want it to be.

Are rocks alive

How about some Greek mythology? Are you going to use that to make your point too? Which brings me to the topic in the OP, do plants evolve?

 

[EternalDragon]

No. Juvenissun is not correct. Yes, defining life is complex, but there is not a single definition of life that you can use to show that a rock is life and a plant is not.

In other words, not life.

How about some Greek mythology? Are you going to use that to make your point too? Which brings me to the topic in the OP, do plants evolve?

The point is that the definition of life can be subjective.

Yes, plants can diversify but differently than animals. Take the example of maize. It is the same plant that simply has larger kernels due to human manipulation. If you want to call that "evolution".

If you are asking if a plant changed into an animal or a fungus changed into a grass that changed into a tree.....No.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The point is that the definition of life can be subjective.

Yes, plants can diversify but differently than animals. Take the example of maize. It is the same plant that simply has larger kernels due to human manipulation. If you want to call that "evolution".

If you are asking if a plant changed into an animal or a fungus changed into a grass that changed into a tree.....No.

Juve has a very specific definition of life though, which apparently includes rocks but doesn't include plants. Now can you agree with the rest of us that he is off with that viewpoint?

 

[CabVet]

The point is that the definition of life can be subjective.

No, the point is that regardless of what definition you use, plants are life and rocks are not.

Yes, plants can diversify but differently than animals. Take the example of maize. It is the same plant that simply has larger kernels due to human manipulation. If you want to call that "evolution".

And how exactly do plants diversify differently than animals? How are strains of maize different from breeds of dogs? I started this thread because gradyll said that plant evolution was not questioned by creationists, he said that everybody agreed that it happened, and that it was a non-issue. And then juvenissun said that plants evolved differently from animals because they were not life.

If you are asking if a plant changed into an animal or a fungus changed into a grass that changed into a tree.....No.

But if I create them out of nothing.... Yes. Right?

 

[EternalDragon]

No, the point is that regardless of what definition you use, plants are life and rocks are not.

And how exactly do plants diversify differently than animals? How are strains of maize different from breeds of dogs? I started this thread because gradyll said that plant evolution was not questioned by creationists, he said that everybody agreed that it happened, and that it was a non-issue. And then juvenissun said that plants evolved differently from animals because they were not life.

Polyploidy.

 

[EternalDragon]

Juve has a very specific definition of life though, which apparently includes rocks but doesn't include plants. Now can you agree with the rest of us that he is off with that viewpoint?

I did not follow the entire thread. Yes, plants would have to be included.

 

[Naturalism]

No, the point is that regardless of what definition you use, plants are life and rocks are not.

Maybe they should go back to science 101. Rocks are not organic, plants and animals (all organisms really) are. Don't they recall their basic science tests of which one is organic and which is non-organic?

And how exactly do plants diversify differently than animals? How are strains of maize different from breeds of dogs?

Well, you see humans can artificially select which offspring they like in dogs based on traits that offer better utility in one role or another to help. But when humans artificially select the offspring of corn & choose the ones that are more resilient to pests and harsher weather conditions, that is of course not at all the same you see!

 

[CabVet]

Polyploidy.

What about it? It happens in animals too (e.g. salmon). Or now that I gave you an example you will say that fish are not animals?

 

[Naturalism]

Polyploidy.

Still DNA, still genes, still mutations, still selection acting on genes. In that way they are very much like other animals.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, plants can diversify but differently than animals. Take the example of maize. It is the same plant that simply has larger kernels due to human manipulation. If you want to call that "evolution".

How do these variations come about?
Walk us through the high level process.

If you are asking if a plant changed into an animal or a fungus changed into a grass that changed into a tree.....No.

Why not?

 

[Loudmouth]

Polyploidy.

There are animal species that are polyploid with most of them being hermaphroditic or parthenogenic (e.g. snout beetles, earthworms, some salamanders).

Advanced Topics In Zoology - H V Kashyap - Google Books

 

[juvenissun]

No. Juvenissun is not correct. Yes, defining life is complex, but there is not a single definition of life that you can use to show that a rock is life and a plant is not.

All I said is: you do not know how to define a life.
If you say a plant is a life, then I can say a rock is also a life.

Biology does not define life. The Bible does.

 

[CabVet]

All I said is: you do not know how to define a life.

That's not even close to what you said. You said, and I quote:

Plants are not life.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I did not follow the entire thread. Yes, plants would have to be included.

See Juve, even other fundamentalists don't agree with you

 

[Kylie]

All I said is: you do not know how to define a life.
If you say a plant is a life, then I can say a rock is also a life.

Biology does not define life. The Bible does.

The Bible can't even define kind, why should I take it's definition of life?

And your claim that rocks are alive is just ridiculous, and there is no support for it whatsoever. You are demonstrating an extreme lack of understanding of both geology and biology in their most basic forms.

 

[juvenissun]

See Juve, even other fundamentalists don't agree with you

I did not agree with myself about 7 or 8 years ago. It is normal.

Whenever God wants you to know it, then you start to know it. Many Christians never need to know this in all their lives.

Remember, life is not defined by biology, but by the Bible. So, most college graduates may not know what a life is.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I did not agree with myself about 7 or 8 years ago. It is normal.

Whenever God wants you to know it, then you start to know it. Many Christians never need to know this in all their lives.

Remember, life is not defined by biology, but by the Bible. So, most college graduates may not know what a life is.

A particularly inane post, even by your standards. Having a slow day in your Indian call centre today?

 

[juvenissun]

Originally Posted by juvenissun

All I said is: you do not know how to define a life.

That's not even close to what you said. You said, and I quote:

Plants are not life.

You are not my student. Otherwise, I will tell you the mistake you made in the above. You really like just a high school kid.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

You are not my student. Otherwise, I will tell you the mistake you made in the above. You really like just a high school kid.

Says the guy with no education at all.

 

[szechuan]

Remember, life is not defined by biology, but by the Bible. So, most college graduates may not know what a life is.

That's not true, Life not defined by Biology? LOL.

Because clearly your race and sex do not define you.

That's quite an assumption to say most College graduates don't know what life is, and a wrong one I'm afraid. Even Dawkins and Hawkings know what life is and they don't need to read the Bible.