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DO CHILDREN GO TO HEAVEN ?

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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?
 

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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?
If Children do not go to heaven, what do you believe happens to them? are their other options besides the heaven and hell scenarios?
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?
I do not know but I believe whatever it is would be just.

The Lord said to Jeremiah that He knew him before he was formed. (1 Jeremiah 5) So in any event he knows the baby's heart. I would like to imagine that these babies are saved because the Lord knew that they would be and are his and what would happen before they were born. However, that is just my imaginings. It could be just as likely that some are children of iniquity and condemned because they would be evil.

It is all circumspect so I go back to my original thought that God is Holy and He is right.
 
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There is no answer to that question in scripture.

So we just have to trust in God's loving kindness.
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?

First of all, thank you for starting a thread written in normal type, without lots of capitals. :oldthumbsup:
I complained to you about it once before, so I think it only fair to say now that I appreciate it.

I understand that you're referring to babies, toddlers or children who may die before they can hear the Gospel and respond to God's love.
Personally, I believe they would go to heaven, to be with God. The reason for this is mainly because God is love, 1 John 4:8, compassionate, Exodus 34:6, just, Genesis 18:25 and kind, merciful and all the other attributes of love described in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7.

I don't think it would be loving, fair or just to condemn a toddler for not having repented and responded to the Gospel when, through no fault of their own, they didn't live long enough to do so. A baby or toddler accused of that could, rightly, say "well why didn't you allow me to live long enough so that I could repent and hear about you".
I believe that this is true for any baby/child who dies from illness; even more so if the baby was killed/aborted by the actions of someone else. The killer might get sent to prison, have a chance to repent, become a Christian and go to heaven; it would be very unfair if the child, whose life he took, was sent to hell.
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?
Paul says we all sinned in Adam. So this explains why babies die who never consciously sinned. The wages of sin is death. Do babies automatically go the heaven? Many believe that an age of accountability exists where kids have a probation period until the time they can consciously accept or reject Christ. Others believe all sinners go to hell but some suffer less the younger they die since they have less sin to answer for. Others believe Christ atoned for all of the sins of the elect. So even if they die in the womb they go the heaven.
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?

Friend, many people will say many things on this topic, but the main problem here is that denominations still hold to the catholic idea of born in sin! Jesus said, "unless you believe that I am He you will die in your sins" therefore, if a human is born sinful and dies shortly thereafter, they did not have the opportunity to believe so they cannot be in heaven! But according to the truth we are born perfect because God himself made us in His image! To answer your dilemma, a baby would go to heaven due to their sinless nature.
 
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Baptized children go to heaven almost by default, I'd put it. As for unbaptized ones, we have to trust in God's mercy.
Baptism doesn't save anyone. I do believe children under the age of understanding go to heaven, but I can't back it up with explicit scripture. However, Jesus indicated that children were innocent, when he told us to become like them.
The OP is being inconsistent with his theology, as a calvinist, the only choices are either God chose that child to be elect, in which case he goes to heaven, or he didn't, which means he goes to hell.
 
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Baptism doesn't save anyone. I do believe children under the age of understanding go to heaven, but I can't back it up with explicit scripture. However, Jesus indicated that children were innocent, when he told us to become like them.
The OP is being inconsistent with his theology, as a calvinist, the only choices are either God chose that child to be elect, in which case he goes to heaven, or he didn't, which means he goes to hell.
Jesus said that unless one is born of water and spirit, we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven (be saved). He connected the action of baptism to salvation.
 
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Baptism doesn't save anyone. I do believe children under the age of understanding go to heaven, but I can't back it up with explicit scripture. However, Jesus indicated that children were innocent, when he told us to become like them.

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Jesus said that unless one is born of water and spirit, we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven (be saved). He connected the action of baptism to salvation.

Baptism is an outward sign of new life/inner rebirth.
Before John the B, no one was baptised for their sins; they still had animal sacrifices. Non Jews were baptised when they became Jews; i.e God's people. So baptism was something new and showed the sinner, and others, that they had repented and been born again.
Jesus saves, not baptism.
 
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Yes, children go to heaven..

II Samuel 12:15-23

David was confident his child was in heaven. .. we can have the same confidence based on Romans 5:13
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?

We can be completely confident in the promises of God which are attached to Holy Baptism, that one who is born again of water and the Spirit has new life from God, in Christ. So baptized children absolutely have those precious promises of God that they, having new life in Jesus, are sharers of the everlasting life of the age to come.

The question of unbaptized children ultimately boils down to the fact that we do not and cannot know; but we can trust in the mercies of God here. We know that the promises of God are certain, and so we can look to where God has attached His promises with absolute confidence; but we can only trust in God's compassionate mercy and loving justice when it comes to questions about, for example, the unbaptized, the unevangelized, or those who are outside of the Church. We should be willing and able to be hopeful that the God who meets us in our unworthiness and sin in Jesus is a God of compassionate justice and mercy, and that when all is said and done He will do what is good and right in the utmost sense. I am therefore hopeful and trusting that those who have never met Christ in this life will not be without Him.

I ultimately hope for the salvation of all, but would not dare speak dogmatically where I cannot.

This should not be a cause for dread, but instead an occasion for hope--hope in the God you know through Jesus, who is the kind and loving Abba who is unwilling that any should perish. This is He who, through Ezekiel has said He does not rejoice in the death of the wicked, but desires that the wicked have life; this is the God who spared Nineveh, this is the God who is quick to forgive and slow to anger. This is the God who St. John says is love, and who our Lord Jesus reveals as His loving Father who we can know through Him.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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If Children do not go to heaven, what do you believe happens to them? are their other options besides the heaven and hell scenarios?

In the middle ages some western theologians speculated that there might be a more "neutral" place of the dead, they called it "limbo". Unbaptized children as well as pious pagans were said to exist in a place of limbo, neither experiencing the infinite joys of heaven, but neither was it a "bad" place such as hell. Roman Catholicism has, since, rejected the concept of Limbo (it was never official teaching, merely theological speculation by some prominent thinkers). The word "limbo" itself comes from the Latin meaning "hem" or "border"; i.e. something at an edge.

Simply put, the general consensus among Christians of all backgrounds is that we simply trust that God is is a good, kind, and just God--and we leave it to Him. I suspect, if pressed, most of us would be of the opinion that--yes--the invincibly ignorant (such as unbaptized children) will have a place in the future beatific life. But that we can't state such a thing dogmatically, since we simply can't know since God hasn't told us.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?

Kids go to heaven read 2 Samuel 12
 
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David tells them, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me. 2 Samuel 12: 22-23.

Not sure if this helps, but David might be talking about heaven?
 
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Kids go to heaven read 2 Samuel 12

Not what the text says. David understood that he would "go to him" when he died and went to She'ol. She'ol is not heaven. She'ol is the place of the dead, in David's time She'ol was seen as the common place of the dead. By the time of Jesus the Jewish view had come to conceive of She'ol in two parts, the abode of the righteous dead called Gan-Eden, translated into Greek as Paradeisos ("Paradise", from a Persian loan-word, pairidaeza, meaning an enclosed garden); and Ge-Hinnom, transliterated into Greek as Gehenna (Ge-Hinnom literally means "Valley of Hinnom" and was a valley located outside Old Jerusalem where the Hebrew Bible says was the center of Molech worship and human sacrifice, thus the site was associated with brutal attrocities and evil, even as Gan-Eden, the Garden of Eden, was associated with the bliss Adam had with God before the Fall). These two parts of She'ol, or translated "Hades" in Greek, are illustrated in Jesus' Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

The idea of "going to heaven" after death wasn't an idea which the ancient Hebrews had, and while some second temple texts, such as Enoch, locate the Garden of Eden/Paradise in the third heaven (there were seven heavens in ancient near eastern, including Hebrew, thought), the entirety of She'ol was also conceived as being "below" since the dead were interred in the earth--hence She'ol meaning "grave" or "pit".

The idea that we go to heaven to be with the Lord until the resurrection is an idea borne out of the confession that Christ overcame and defeated Hades/She'ol/Hell, and the righteous saints of old were liberated there. An idea that is touched upon by St. Paul in Ephesians 4:9 and 1 Peter 3:19. The Harrowing of Hell, or as confessed in the Apostles' Creed that Jesus "descended into hell" (Latin: "descendit ad inferos", literally "descended into the depths" or "descended into the lower regions"). And so Paul can say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, and in St. John's Apocalypse he sees, in vision, the saints of God before God's throne in heaven.

But the idea of "going to heaven" is absent from 2 Samuel 12, because that isn't how people back then thought, and it's not what David meant, or what the author of 2 Samuel meant. They mean that David will meet his deceased child in the place of the dead, since the child cannot come back to him (since he's dead).

Note that this doesn't mean children don't go to heaven, only that this passage can't be used to back up that assertion.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I was having this discussion with a brother yesterday ! He asked me if I thought children went to heaven : So I gave him the verse that came to my mind and it was : Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven : So I said to him that a baby obviously has not been born again because he is just too young! I askef him if there were any verses that specifically state that a baby has a spirit : we could not find any : or verses that say babies go to heaven ! Both of us don't believe that babies go to hell though we could not find a single verse that specifically states this so there it is : what saist thou ?
Yes we found many verses John you didn’t understand them .

I can quote some of them when I get time.
 
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David tells them, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me. 2 Samuel 12: 22-23.

Not sure if this helps, but David might be talking about heaven?
That verse was mentioned to John yesterday as well but it did not get commented on
 
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