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God is in the business of exposing sin, he never ordained anything that was not the righteousness of God in Christ.
But what you claim is that a man cannot freely choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept the grace of God without being quickened from his "totally depraved" state. Calvinists believe that by the "Irresistible Grace" of God, a man is given life so as to have faith, thereby granting unconditional election, whether the individual would have chosen said salvation or not. You also do not believe that Christ died for the entire world, and that a saint must endure to the end to be saved; while "Perseverance of the Saints" states that all saints will endure to the end, it is dramatically different from the doctrine of "Once saved, Always saved."
Am I right or wrong?
On the subject of predestination, what does it mean for the Lamb to be 'slain from the creation of the world'?As much as predestination is scriptural, the funniest thing is seeing humans trying to actually explain it. Would you like to fall into a Black Hole as well? Contemplate the Trinity? Get in a time machine and kill your grandfather? Or __insert paradox here_.
Even funnier is actually making it a central tenet of one's faith. It's one thing to believe it. Another to actually enshrine it!
Three Biblical facts:That's an interesting thought. But it's not what the Bible teaches.
Acts 4:27-28 - 27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
On the subject of predestination, what does it mean for the Lamb to be 'slain from the creation of the world'?
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. (Rev. 13:8)
Three Biblical facts:
God had predestined Jesus to die.
God does not ordain sin.
God knows the future.
Unless you disagree with my 3 biblical facts ^
Okay, so then why tie it up in logical knots when the Lord tells us blatantly to choose who to serve? (Joshua 24:15, Deuteronomy 30:19).I think it's paradoxical in a way.
Think of the elect as true believers. We believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. We demonstrate our election to others through our works which demonstrate Christ in us.
The Bible teaches that God does ordain our sin to his own just and holy ends. I've already referenced some passages to this end. But just thinking about the cross of Christ is enough.
God ordained that Jesus would be murdered. To murder Jesus was a sin. God ordained this sinful, free act of men to his own just and holy ends.
God does ordain sin. He ordained that Jesus would be murdered.
On the subject of predestination, what does it mean for the Lamb to be 'slain from the creation of the world'?
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. (Rev. 13:8)
Okay, so then why tie it up in logical knots when the Lord tells us blatantly to choose who to serve? (Joshua 24:15, Deuteronomy 30:19).
He's given us the choice to choose whether to believe in Christ or not.
Of course he doesn't but that won't stop him from, as a act of judgment, turning you over to it.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. (Romans 1:24-25)
You're suggesting God tempted a man to sin.God does ordain sin. He ordained that Jesus would be murdered.
You're suggesting God tempted a man to sin.
Impossible.
Well welcome to the club, it's one of those enigmatic sayings from Scripture. I have a point, before the world was created and life dwelled here, the Son of God made a promise. He would deliver humanity to the Father holy, righteous and without blemish or spot. Once he gave his word, it was as good as done, thus, when shortly after creation Adam and Eve sinned, the cross was inevitable.I have no clue. I wish I did, but I doubt I'll know for now. I'm just glad that the Lamb does exist at all
The whole point of Satan... rather, the literal meaning of his name is "Accuser". Or adversary. His role has always been in tempting. Not God. Tempting/testing/so he can point fingers. In some traditions, it's because he never wanted God to create them in the first place. So he'll do anything to drag them down.
The story is FAR lamer if God was pulling the puppet strings even here.
Would make an interesting thread.
I'm curious about calvinists expola
No to what?
Indeed.The Bible simply says that the Jews, Pilate, and religious leaders did "whatsoever
your hand and your plan had predestined to take place."
Impossible.God ordained their free sinful actions.
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