Do Aliens Exist?

[durangodawood]

No. There is sufficient evidence/ statements in God's Word to know/realize (God Willing) that He did not create "aliens" in outer space.

Is there?

I mean Genesis sort of reads like an entirely pre scientific understanding of the cosmos, what with an earth "inside" a shell of firmament. Its like biblical creation doesnt even talk about outer space at all, so I dont know how we could consider the Bible definitive about aliens.

Maybe there's other verses that are more definitive?

 

[SelfSim]

Its not supposed to be scientific.
Its theological: appealing to reasoning about the (stipulated) mind and motives of God.

The same basis of (flawed) 'reasoning' as that behind the Copernican-Principled 'numbers' argument, eh?

 

[durangodawood]

The same basis of (flawed) 'reasoning' as that behind the Copernican-Principled 'numbers' argument, eh?

The theological reasoning is ok. The premises are another thing altogether tho.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

How can 'wastefulness' be a valid scientific criteria where 'no purpose' (for life) is also a key assumption?

It was in the context of an assumed creator God. Check the quote I was responding to.

'Numbers' arguments, used in support of the belief in the existence of life elsewhere, are scientifically irrelevant in the light of there only being evidence of a singular, in-common instance of life on this planet. The only scientifically supportable position is 'unknown' (in spite of the emotionally motivated 'numbers' arguments which only rely on incredulity when it comes to imagining the contrary position).

OK, but that's irrelevant to my post, as above.

 

[Anguspure]

Except that practically none of it is necessary for the existence of this small blue pearl; our solar system is sufficient, our galaxy more than enough. Approximately 200 billion visible galaxies and at least 2 trillion inferred galaxies seems somewhat wasteful...

"Wasteful" implies limited resources and assumes purely utilitarian purposes, neither of which apply to a Creator.

 

[durangodawood]

....and assumes....

Thats the nature of theological reasoning: assumed premises.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

"Wasteful" implies limited resources and assumes purely utilitarian purposes, neither of which apply to a Creator.

Yes, that's reasonable; perhaps 'pointless' or 'unnecessary' would be more appropriate adjectives.

[waiting for GWIMW...]

 

[stevevw]

Hello

I've always wondered if aliens existed. Many Christians say yes while many say no. Something I just read stated many Christians believe they do as why would God create such a huge universe? The answer to that was that to our minds it's huge but to God's, probably not. However, despite this, many Christians still believe aliens could exist.

Would God have created aliens and not told us? Would He have visited each creation separately and created a Bible separate for each species?

IMO we are the only intelligent life in the universe. The universe had to be as big as it is to allow us to be here. Just like a system needs a certain amount of parts to work for the universe to have produced and sustained life it needed to have all the components that ensured life. Despite scientists saying they have found exoplanets no life has been detected. In fact if anything they have found how rare the earth and the life on it is in the universe.
Humans May Be the Only Intelligent Life in the Universe, If Evolution Has Anything to Say

If there are intelligent aliens then why would God make Jesus be crucified over and over again to save them. They would and could not have heard about redemption from it happening on this planet. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth for which he created life on and not other planets. Christ died once and for all as the bible says and that was on earth.

 

[DennisTate]

When I look out at night and see thousands upon thousands of stars in the sky and consider that what we see with the naked eye is what happened millions of years in the past, it makes me realise that the universe of which we are a part is an incredible, utterly mind-blowing place.

I don't think we will ever get to discover intelligent life on other planets and can only speculate as to whether it exists.

There are billions of stars, so conceivably there are other solar systems with planets which, on the balance of probability, are capable of supporting life.

A near death experiencer was shown that some technologically advanced aliens as well as angels keep humanity from having an all out nuclear war.

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

Because of my fear of a nuclear holocaust I asked if there was going to be a nuclear war in the world, and they said no. That astonished me, and I gave them this extensive explanation of how I had lived under the threat of nuclear war. That was one of the reasons I was who I was. I figured, when I was in this life, that it was all sort of hopeless; the world was going to blow up anyway, and nothing made much sense. In that context I felt I could do what I wanted, since nothing mattered.



They said, "No, there isn't going to be any nuclear war."



I asked if they were absolutely sure there wasn't going to be nuclear war. They reassured me again, and I asked them how they could be so sure.



Their response was: "God loves the world." They told me that at the most, one or two nuclear weapons might go off accidentally, if they weren't destroyed, but there wouldn't be a nuclear war.



I then asked them how come there had been so many wars. They said that they allowed those few to happen, out of all the wars that humanity tried to start. Out of all the wars that humans tried to create, they allowed a few, to bring people to their senses and to stop them.

Science, technology, and other benefits, they told me, had been gifts bestowed on humanity by them - through inspiration. People had literally been led to those discoveries, many of which had later been perverted by humanity to use for its own destruction.



We could do too much damage to the planet. And by the planet, they meant all of God's creation. Not just the people, but the animals, the trees, the birds, the insects, everything.

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren't interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, than we should hurt we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

A near death experiencer was shown that some technologically advanced aliens as well as angels keep humanity from having an all out nuclear war.

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

Man has dream... yawn.

 

[Dan1988]

Hello

I've always wondered if aliens existed. Many Christians say yes while many say no. Something I just read stated many Christians believe they do as why would God create such a huge universe? The answer to that was that to our minds it's huge but to God's, probably not. However, despite this, many Christians still believe aliens could exist.

Would God have created aliens and not told us? Would He have visited each creation separately and created a Bible separate for each species?

There's a very informative video on this subject, called "the privileged planet".
I came across it while doing some research on the subject, after a violent encounter with an unknown entity. I didn't need any convincing about their existence, after the physical encounter which almost took my life.

I used to mock people who claimed to see or experience anything "otherworldly", until it happened to me.

 

[Radagast]

Would God have created aliens and not told us?

God doesn't tell us everything. Only what we need to know.

Would He have visited each creation separately and created a Bible separate for each species?

If they exist:

1. They might be like animals. Dogs don't need a Bible, even smart ones.

2. They might be like angels. Angels don't need a Bible.

3. They might be like demons. A Bible is no use to demons: they are utterly lost.

4. They may be completely different from what we can imagine.

5. They might be like us, and we might need to go and evangelise them one day.

6. They might be like us, and Christ may also have become incarnate on their world (many Christians would consider this unlikely).

 

[West Spiritual Master]

Hello

I've always wondered if aliens existed. Many Christians say yes while many say no. Something I just read stated many Christians believe they do as why would God create such a huge universe? The answer to that was that to our minds it's huge but to God's, probably not. However, despite this, many Christians still believe aliens could exist.

Would God have created aliens and not told us? Would He have visited each creation separately and created a Bible separate for each species?

Yes, aliens exist and many of them are among us without even realizing their presence, surely you have seen many without knowing that they were aliens.

 

[The Transcendentian]

God doesn't tell us everything. Only what we need to know.



If they exist:

1. They might be like animals. Dogs don't need a Bible, even smart ones.

2. They might be like angels. Angels don't need a Bible.

3. They might be like demons. A Bible is no use to demons: they are utterly lost.

4. They may be completely different from what we can imagine.

5. They might be like us, and we might need to go and evangelise them one day.

6. They might be like us, and Christ may also have become incarnate on their world (many Christians would consider this unlikely).

Not like anybody will even read this reply, but I really like to waste time thinking about this topic.

I think a combination of possibilities 5 and 6 also neither is the most likely scenario.

I know it's really really a stretch since it only sounds this way in the English Standard Version:
Hebrews 4:14 , the "having passed through the heavens"
part could just maybe possibly be interpreted to also mean that Jesus stopped by all inhabited worlds on his way back to his throne from Earth when he ascended?

Also, this one I just found Mark 13:27 (this time it's consistent in several versions) "...gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

Might barely in a really pushing it sort of way possibly mean that God has elect people up in outer space?

There are several more questionable interpretations I found while looking for evidence of a mere possibility of alien life in the universe.

Of course, there are a lot of single out-of-context verses that anyone can use to prove their own point.

Also, by the way, I think if humans ever did find real solid evidence of the existence of intelligent aliens, then most people today who identify as Christian would suddenly identify as atheist for some reason.

Also I see no reason why demons wouldn't appear to humans and say they are from another planet in order to advance the work of the devil.

 

[Lost4words]

Aliens do exist. I knew it as soon as i saw my mates Mother-in-Law!

 

[The Transcendentian]

Aliens do exist. I knew it as soon as i saw my mates Mother-in-Law!

Um... what?

 

[Lost4words]

Um... what?

 

[Dan1988]

Not like anybody will even read this reply, but I really like to waste time thinking about this topic.

I think a combination of possibilities 5 and 6 also neither is the most likely scenario.

I know it's really really a stretch since it only sounds this way in the English Standard Version:
Hebrews 4:14 , the "having passed through the heavens"
part could just maybe possibly be interpreted to also mean that Jesus stopped by all inhabited worlds on his way back to his throne from Earth when he ascended?

Also, this one I just found Mark 13:27 (this time it's consistent in several versions) "...gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

Might barely in a really pushing it sort of way possibly mean that God has elect people up in outer space?

There are several more questionable interpretations I found while looking for evidence of a mere possibility of alien life in the universe.

Of course, there are a lot of single out-of-context verses that anyone can use to prove their own point.

Also, by the way, I think if humans ever did find real solid evidence of the existence of intelligent aliens, then most people today who identify as Christian would suddenly identify as atheist for some reason.

Also I see no reason why demons wouldn't appear to humans and say they are from another planet in order to advance the work of the devil.

The Oxford dictionary describes the word "Alien" as "supposedly other worldly". Since mankind has never found a single shred of evidence to support the existence of Aliens on other planets, so the dictionary needed to insert the word "supposedly" in front of their description.

The Bible describes 3 heavens, the first is our atmosphere, the second is space which contains the sun moon and stars and the third is where the angels reside and God's presence is also there but God is present everywhere at the same time.

When Jesus traveled through the heavens, it was only to get to and from the third heaven. There is no suggestion in the Bible that He visited other planets.

It would be completely out of God's character to give us a detailed description of all the animals and creatures He created in the book of Genesis, and hide something so important as intelligent beings on other planets. No Christian could ever believe in a sneaky god, who has affairs behind our back.

The world is full of Aliens, any one of us could have encountered one today and not even know it. Angels and Demons have the ability to take on any likeness they wish, they can appear as innocent children or ugly monsters and everything in between. This is why we have millions of reported encounters.

 

[Shemjaza]

The Oxford dictionary describes the word "Alien" as "supposedly other worldly". Since mankind has never found a single shred of evidence to support the existence of Aliens on other planets, so the dictionary needed to insert the word "supposedly" in front of their description.

The Bible describes 3 heavens, the first is our atmosphere, the second is space which contains the sun moon and stars and the third is where the angels reside and God's presence is also there but God is present everywhere at the same time.

When Jesus traveled through the heavens, it was only to get to and from the third heaven. There is no suggestion in the Bible that He visited other planets.

It would be completely out of God's character to give us a detailed description of all the animals and creatures He created in the book of Genesis, and hide something so important as intelligent beings on other planets. No Christian could ever believe in a sneaky god, who has affairs behind our back.

The world is full of Aliens, any one of us could have encountered one today and not even know it. Angels and Demons have the ability to take on any likeness they wish, they can appear as innocent children or ugly monsters and everything in between. This is why we have millions of reported encounters.

The details of pathogens, viruses, single celled organisms, nuclear structures and relativity are all missing from the Bible, so an assumption that anything he didn't specify doesn't exist seems unjustified.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've always wondered if aliens existed.

Yes, they do.

Alien and Sedition Acts