Do Aliens Exist?

[Dan1988]

The details of pathogens, viruses, single celled organisms, nuclear structures and relativity are all missing from the Bible, so an assumption that anything he didn't specify doesn't exist seems unjustified.

But He did mention all of these as they are all a part of human, animal or plant life. Most people think of Aliens as intelligent able bodied creatures. We would hardly consider pond scum as Alien life, but I do appreciate why some always point to the possibility of these existing on other planets.

It simply because they know that we will never have strong enough telescopes to see a single cell on distant planet light years away. So they use this possibility (which is actually an impossibility) as some kind of cheap bargaining chip to prop up a non existent straw man.

 

[Speedwell]

But He did mention all of these as they are all a part of human, animal or plant life. Most people think of Aliens as intelligent able bodied creatures. We would hardly consider pond scum as Alien life, but I do appreciate why some always point to the possibility of these existing on other planets.

It simply because they know that we will never have strong enough telescopes to see a single cell on distant planet light years away. So they use this possibility (which is actually an impossibility) as some kind of cheap bargaining chip to prop up a non existent straw man.

And what is their motive for going to all that trouble?

 

[Shemjaza]

But He did mention all of these as they are all a part of human, animal or plant life. Most people think of Aliens as intelligent able bodied creatures. We would hardly consider pond scum as Alien life, but I do appreciate why some always point to the possibility of these existing on other planets.

It simply because they know that we will never have strong enough telescopes to see a single cell on distant planet light years away. So they use this possibility (which is actually an impossibility) as some kind of cheap bargaining chip to prop up a non existent straw man.

It seems that vaguest reference plants or animals count as describing something with a completely different form and behavior because you personally classify it as the same.

You reference to "impossibility" seems very confident? Do you have evidence or coherent reasoning for it?
A more honest statement might be, "(which I reject out of hand due to my religious convictions)".

 

[Dan1988]

And what is their motive for going to all that trouble?

It's to deny God and His commandments, if we admit that God is who He said He is, then we either obey or deny Him.

 

[Speedwell]

It's to deny God and His commandments, if we admit that God is who He said He is, then we either obey or deny Him.

In other words, the scientific community are speculating about the possibility of life on other planets in order to deny your rather peculiar interpretation of scripture. What makes you think that these scientists even know you exist much less care so much about your religious opinions?

 

[Dan1988]

It seems that vaguest reference plants or animals count as describing something with a completely different form and behavior because you personally classify it as the same.

You reference to "impossibility" seems very confident? Do you have evidence or coherent reasoning for it?
A more honest statement might be, "(which I reject out of hand due to my religious convictions)".

I have a personal relationship with the One who created every single atom in the universe. He is the Lord Jesus Christ, He told mankind exactly what He created. But He won't force anyone to believe Him.

 

[Dan1988]

In other words, the scientific community are speculating about the possibility of life on other planets in order to deny your rather peculiar interpretation of scripture. What makes you think that these scientists even know you exist much less care so much about your religious opinions?

I don't have any religious or personal opinions about anything, all I have is what the One who created everything said.

 

[Speedwell]

I don't have any religious or personal opinions about anything, all I have is what the One who created everything said.

OK, how do all these scientists know what the One who created everything said to you? How do they know that speculating about life on other planets would deny it?

Don't you see how weird that sounds? That an entire field of science was concocted to deny what some voice in Dan's head told him?

 

[Shemjaza]

I have a personal relationship with the One who created every single atom in the universe. He is the Lord Jesus Christ, He told mankind exactly what He created. But He won't force anyone to believe Him.

Okay. Then you should phrase your declarations about facts and possibility accordingly.

Don't say things are "impossible" when you have no ability to demonstrate it, say "that isn't true, because Jesus told me so."

It makes it clear what kind of discussion you are willing to engage in and what your standards for facts and evidence are.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I have a personal relationship with the One who created every single atom in the universe. He is the Lord Jesus Christ, He told mankind exactly what He created. But He won't force anyone to believe Him.

Is this the same guy who, instead of 'forcing' belief, coerces it with the alternative of eternal torment?

 

[Strathos]

Is this the same guy who, instead of 'forcing' belief, coerces it with the alternative of eternal torment?

No.

 

[Dan1988]

OK, how do all these scientists know what the One who created everything said to you? How do they know that speculating about life on other planets would deny it?

Don't you see how weird that sounds? That an entire field of science was concocted to deny what some voice in Dan's head told him?

I know everything about the scientific community, you get booted out if you ask any questions. All they do is program the students to regurgitate lies and rational thinking is banned. So yeah, that sums it up.
Pseudo science is based on theories. They take a theory and push it as fact, then they employ circular reason to prop up their straw man. They are hell bent on denying the truth as it exposes them for what they are.

 

[Dan1988]

Okay. Then you should phrase your declarations about facts and possibility accordingly.

Don't say things are "impossible" when you have no ability to demonstrate it, say "that isn't true, because Jesus told me so."

It makes it clear what kind of discussion you are willing to engage in and what your standards for facts and evidence are.

I can't prove anything to someone who doesn't want to know the truth. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "I am the truth" I don't know of anyone else who can make that claim and then prove it as Christ did 1000 times over.

I can't see how anyone can deny the truth when it has been proven beyond a shadow of doughty. Hundreds saw Him after He came back from the dead and many didn't believe their eyes. This is the dilemma us Christians have with unbelievers, we know the truth but we can't force unbelievers to believe it. Only God can open the eyes of the blind.

 

[Dan1988]

Is this the same guy who, instead of 'forcing' belief, coerces it with the alternative of eternal torment?

I'm OK with mockery, I take absolutely no offense to anything anyone says about me or my Lord. God promised that He would personally judge everyone, so you will stand before Him to give an account of how you lived the life He gave you.

I used to think that this life is mine, so I have the right to live the way I want to. That's no longer the case, God showed me the truth and it changed everything. When I mentioned eternal torment in that other thread, it wasn't to drive fear into anyone. I mentioned it because I found that hearing about the doctrine of hell, caused me to look deeper into the Bible to see if it was so.

 

[Speedwell]

I know everything about the scientific community, you get booted out if you ask any questions. All they do is program the students to regurgitate lies and rational thinking is banned. So yeah, that sums it up.
Pseudo science is based on theories. They take a theory and push it as fact, then they employ circular reason to prop up their straw man. They are hell bent on denying the truth as it exposes them for what they are.

Science is not all about you. Scientists don't know or care about you, Dan, or what you believe To suppose that the goal of science is to deny what you believe is the height of arrogance.

 

[Speedwell]

I can't prove anything to someone who doesn't want to know the truth. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "I am the truth" I don't know of anyone else who can make that claim and then prove it as Christ did 1000 times over.

I can't see how anyone can deny the truth when it has been proven beyond a shadow of doughty. Hundreds saw Him after He came back from the dead and many didn't believe their eyes. This is the dilemma us Christians have with unbelievers, we know the truth but we can't force unbelievers to believe it. Only God can open the eyes of the blind.

What you believe about life on other planets has nothing to do with Christ and His Gospel and is not in any way an essential part of the Christian faith.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

No.

Someone else then?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm OK with mockery, I take absolutely no offense to anything anyone says about me or my Lord. God promised that He would personally judge everyone, so you will stand before Him to give an account of how you lived the life He gave you.

I used to think that this life is mine, so I have the right to live the way I want to. That's no longer the case, God showed me the truth and it changed everything. When I mentioned eternal torment in that other thread, it wasn't to drive fear into anyone. I mentioned it because I found that hearing about the doctrine of hell, caused me to look deeper into the Bible to see if it was so.

Good for you; although "don't shoot the messenger" sounds weak, given the original post. However, it would appear that the options are still belief or eternal torment, so the point stands.

Excuse those of us that find that belief system untenable.

 

[durangodawood]

Good for you. However, it would appear that the options are still belief or eternal torment, so the point stands.

Excuse those of us that find that belief system untenable.

Someone long ago discovered that a great recipe for religious success includes a proposed maximum downside for disbelief.

 

[Shemjaza]

I can't prove anything to someone who doesn't want to know the truth. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "I am the truth" I don't know of anyone else who can make that claim and then prove it as Christ did 1000 times over.

I can't see how anyone can deny the truth when it has been proven beyond a shadow of doughty. Hundreds saw Him after He came back from the dead and many didn't believe their eyes. This is the dilemma us Christians have with unbelievers, we know the truth but we can't force unbelievers to believe it. Only God can open the eyes of the blind.

That only reinforces my point.

If you can't even structure your points like the evidence we require for mundane things then you need to be clear. When you make statements that clearly seem to indicate that you have some kind of objective scientific evidence and you don't, then you appear dishonest when you are unable to present this evidence.

Personal revelation is a fantastic source of belief for an individual, but it is useless as an argument for another. Just openly declare what you believe... when you dance around it, people assume you are trying to hide it.