Do aborted babies go to heaven?

[redleghunter]

This is a little funny - are you saying that Eve didn't breath?
I think both you and I know Eve was a living person, and therefore she breathed. As every living person who ever lived has - we all have the breath of life from God!

Show me where in Genesis God directly gave Eve the breath of life as Adam received it? You can't therefore your theory is flawed as it applies to procreative human life.

 

[The Hammer of Witches]

This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?

Gotquestions.org has a good analysis and answer.

 

[redleghunter]

Gotquestions.org has a good analysis and answer.

Yes that was very good.

 

[Simon Crosby]

Hi David,
A little selective in translations we use here (I include myself); my favorite one says: "... he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." The ek (from) here can include "in," but need not. And it seems in English "from" does not include anything prior to the end of the (time period) indicated. So not much of a proof for there being souls in the womb, especially considering that Adam (man!) only was (is) a living soul when given the breath of life. The breath being directly from God.

An interesting "we" you use in: "... we KNOW what we are doing." I doubt you are actually participating in abortion - I guess you take it you are somehow responsible because such occurs in the society in which "we" are a part. I guess you feel moral apprehension about abortion and not being able to halt the practice feel guilty about it? Do you also claim some responsibility for actual murders?

So, do you then deny that our Lord was God incarnate in the womb? Did he become Incarnate at his birth, instead of at the annunciation?

 

[St_Worm2]

To my mind "unborn child" is about the most blatant contradiction there could be...

Hi Douglas, your mind may have trouble with it, but God doesn't seem to. Here are a few examples, from Genesis to Revelation:

11 The angel of the LORD said to her further,
“Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” ~Gen 16


"Both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father." ~Gen 19:36


22 “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide.
23 “But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. ~Ex 21`


“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel." ~Is 7:14


18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
19 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly.
20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22 Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.” ~Matt 1


"She was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." ~Rev 12:2
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Yours and His,
David

 

[redleghunter]

So, do you then deny that our Lord was God incarnate in the womb? Did he become Incarnate at his birth, instead of at the annunciation?

Bump.

 

[redleghunter]

This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?

A lot of information linked below to previous debates/conversations which should address your question. It is about 6 months worth of data from this site. Hope this helps.

God bless

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/do-aborted-babies-go-to-heaven.7929246/page-2#post-69795796

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Yes when a human heart beats it is human and not a mouse. Thank you so much for clarifying.

I certainly didn't "clarify" that way - a non-quote misquote misrepresentation.

I think it does indicate you see the light - that your pointing out that "a mouse is not a human" is pretty inane, though you would never admit it directly of course.

Your "when a human heart beats it is human" (misrepresentation of what I said) shows a fairly common inability to notice the difference between "human" and "a human." What you say indicates a bit of grammatical knowledge of how an adjective is used - that "human" can be correctly used to modify "heartbeats" (CodyFaith's word, and not yours).

He, for your information, was talking about "a human"; a heart can be human without being a human (being), in fact a human heart never is a human being of course.

 

[redleghunter]

I certainly didn't "clarify" that way - a non-quote misquote misrepresentation.

I think it does indicate you see the light - that your pointing out that "a mouse is not a human" is pretty inane, though you would never admit it directly of course.

Your "when a human heart beats it is human" (misrepresentation of what I said) shows a fairly common inability to notice the difference between "human" and "a human." What you say indicates a bit of grammatical knowledge of how an adjective is used - that "human" can be correctly used to modify "heartbeats" (CodyFaith's word, and not yours).

He, for your information, was talking about "a human"; a heart can be human without being a human (being), in fact a human heart never is a human being of course.

It's 'reasoning' and mincing words as above that clearly reveals the gymnastics used by some to condone murder.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Hi Douglas, your mind may have trouble with it, but God doesn't seem to. Here are a few examples, from Genesis to Revelation:

11 The angel of the LORD said to her further,
“Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” ~Gen 16


"Both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father." ~Gen 19:36


22 “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide.
23 “But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. ~Ex 21`


“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel." ~Is 7:14


18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
19 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly.
20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22 Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.” ~Matt 1


"She was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." ~Rev 12:2
​

Yours and His,
David

Just off the top, please note the blatant contradiction you and I here are obviously talking about is "unborn baby." NOWHERE in the Bible does that form of words appear - a definite indication God "has trouble with it," at least to the point of never using it.
To some it may "seem" that God does not have trouble with it, although would never actually say it.
If it is an idea so welcome to God, why does it never appear directly in Scripture?

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

It's 'reasoning' and mincing words as above that clearly reveals the gymnastics used by some to condone murder.

Garbage, false witness, lying attack.

 

[redleghunter]

Just off the top, please note the blatant contradiction you and I here are obviously talking about is "unborn baby." NOWHERE in the Bible does that form of words appear - a definite indication God "has trouble with it," at least to the point of never using it.
To some it may "seem" that God does not have trouble with it, although would never actually say it.
If it is an idea so welcome to God, why does it never appear directly in Scripture?

Luke 1: (NASB)

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"

29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing will be impossible.”

38 Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

39 Now Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah, 40 and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth. 41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45 Blessed is she who believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord.” (NASB)

 

[redleghunter]

Garbage, false witness, lying attack.

How do you justify as a Christian abortion?

 

[Albion]

Just off the top, please note the blatant contradiction you and I here are obviously talking about is "unborn baby." NOWHERE in the Bible does that form of words appear - a definite indication God "has trouble with it," at least to the point of never using it.
To some it may "seem" that God does not have trouble with it, although would never actually say it.
If it is an idea so welcome to God, why does it never appear directly in Scripture?

The Bible does say that God knows us while we are in the womb, however, so whatever wording agrees with that truth seems to me to be appropriate.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Simon Crosby said: ↑
So, do you then deny that our Lord was God incarnate in the womb? Did he become Incarnate at his birth, instead of at the annunciation?

Bump.

Bumped it over to me, I suppose.

"Incarnation" means became a human being. God became a human being at the birth of Jesus. (Why we so much celebrate that, of course!)
If some particular church gets things about the annunciation wrong, hopefully they will correct their teaching.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

How do you justify as a Christian abortion?

I am no abortion, thank you very much.

 

[redleghunter]

Simon Crosby said: ↑
So, do you then deny that our Lord was God incarnate in the womb? Did he become Incarnate at his birth, instead of at the annunciation?

Bumped it over to me, I suppose.

"Incarnation" means became a human being. God became a human being at the birth of Jesus. (Why we so much celebrate that, of course!)
If some particular church gets things about the annunciation wrong, hopefully they will correct their teaching.

What is your position to Simon's statement? Is it your position Jesus Christ was not a human being when “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

The Bible does say that God knows us while we are in the womb, however, so whatever wording agrees with that truth seems to me to be appropriate.

WE are not in wombs. Thank you very much.
There is no personal existence, no existence of a person there - we exist as real people and know we came from somewhere - namely were formed in wombs. Please note that does NOT mean we existed before we were made.

The Bible says at least one person was known even before being made in the womb - GOD KNOWETH ALL THINGS, PAST AND FUTURE. He knows where we come from and that we will come into existence even before we do.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

What is your position to Simon's statement? Is it your position Jesus Christ was not a human being when “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

"Will be called the Son of God." When born. Seems pretty obvious to me.

 

[redleghunter]

"Will be called the Son of God." When born. Seems pretty obvious to me.

"That Holy One." You forgot that part.