Do aborted babies go to heaven?

[chucko10af]

Hello,

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

 

[Merlin]

Yes, they do.
They have not had opportunity to violate the given law (sin).
1 John 3 4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If they do, are they still unborn babies when they get there? Babies without parents?

How does that work?

 

[chucko10af]

Yes, they do.
They have not had opportunity to violate the given law (sin).
1 John 3 4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

Is there no original sin?

 

[chucko10af]

If they do, are they still unborn babies when they get there? Babies without parents?

How does that work?

Well, the child was conceived, so it has parents, yes?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Well, the child was conceived, so it has parents, yes?

Well, yes. Living parents, here on Earth. I thought this was about aborted babies, in heaven.

 

[TastyWallet]

Hello,

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

That all depends on if the unborn child has broken God's Laws. I don't see how they could have possibly done that, considering that they spend their entire life inside the womb. While ultimately, it is for God to decide where we all will go, I could not imagine what possible reason God would have to send them to hell.

 

[chucko10af]

Well, yes. Living parents, here on Earth. I thought this was about aborted babies, in heaven.

ok, thanks for your input

 

[chucko10af]

That all depends on if the unborn child has broken God's Laws. I don't see how they could have possibly done that, considering that they spend their entire life inside the womb. While ultimately, it is for God to decide where we all will go, I could not imagine what possible reason God would have to send them to hell.

original sin?

 

[TastyWallet]

original sin?

Nobody can be blamed for who they are or what their inclinations happen to be. People can only be blamed for what they do. That includes the unborn as well. I don't see how original sin can have any bearing on whether or not God will send them to heaven or hell.

 

[chucko10af]

Nobody can be blamed for who they are or what their inclinations happen to be. People can only be blamed for what they do. That includes the unborn as well. I don't see how original sin can have any bearing on whether or not God will send them to heaven or hell.

That's not the current model for salvation, as I've been taught. Salvation comes through Jesus only, not by the deeds you have done on Earth. If it's by deeds, I'm told, then nobody is going to heaven. How do you understand the idea of salvation?

 

[SteveB28]

Hello,

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

No.

And they're not babies, they are foetuses.

 

[chucko10af]

No.

And they're not babies, they are foetuses.

i'll play your game...what's the difference

 

[TastyWallet]

That's not the current model for salvation, as I've been taught. Salvation comes through Jesus only, not by the deeds you have done on Earth. If it's by deeds, I'm told, then nobody is going to heaven. How do you understand the idea of salvation?

The word "Salvation" implies that there is some sort of fate that one is being saved from. In this instance, we are being saved from the penalty due to us, for breaking God's Laws, or Commandments, or both. Of course, you are correct in saying that "Salvation comes through Jesus only, not by the deeds you have done on Earth." Salvation is available to lawbreakers.

Given that salvation implies lawbreaking, if the unborn have not broken any of God's Laws or Commandments, what is it that they would actually be saved from? More to the point, what is it that they would have done, through their own actions and deeds, to merit eternal separation from God?

 

[chucko10af]

The word "Salvation" implies that there is some sort of fate that one is being saved from. In this instance, we are being saved from the penalty due to us, for breaking God's Laws, or Commandments, or both. Of course, you are correct in saying that "Salvation comes through Jesus only, not by the deeds you have done on Earth."

Given that salvation implies lawbreaking, if the unborn have not broken any of God's Laws or Commandments, what is it that they would actually be saved from? More to the point, what is it that they would have done, through their own actions and deeds, to merit eternal separation from God?

That's the whole point of original sin right? We're all born in sin, because of Adam's fall from grace. Only Jesus offers salvation through grace alone, not deeds. An aborted baby, never had the opportunity to 'come to Jesus'?

Law breaking is a symptom of being born with sin, thanks to Adam. If it really was all based on deed, as you continue to suggest, why would anyone need (God, religion, Jesus, salvation, etc...)?

 

[TastyWallet]

That's the whole point of original sin right? We're all born in sin, because of Adam's fall from grace. Only Jesus offers salvation through grace alone, not deeds. An aborted baby, never had the opportunity to 'come to Jesus'?

Yes we are, and of course babies who would have lived an otherwise "normal" life would have eventually broken God's Laws. That is what it means to have "original sin", as least, that's how I understand it.

While an aborted baby never had an opportunity to "come to Jesus", it also did not have an opportunity to break God's Laws.

Law breaking is a symptom of being born with sin, thanks to Adam. If it really was all based on deed, as you continue to suggest, why would anyone need (God, religion, Jesus, salvation, etc...)?

I think you're misunderstanding the point that I made. The point is, one cannot be blamed for who they are or what their particular inclinations or temptations are. People can only be blamed for what we do. And believe me, we do a whole lot to deserve eternal separation from God. However, my question is directed to what the unborn have done to earn eternal separation from God.

Romans 6:23 teaches us the "the wages of sin is death". Another words, by committing sinful acts (lawbreaking), we earn eternal separation from God. Once again, what lawbreaking have the unborn committed that will earn them eternal separation from God?

It seems you are having a difficult time separating original sin from lawbreaking. Original sin is part of our nature. Lawbreaking is something we do as a result of our sinful nature. God does not blame us for having original sin; rather, God blames us for our lawbreaking. That's precisely why we need Jesus: He pays the penalty for our lawbreaking. But if the unborn have not broken any of God's Laws, or Commandments, it seems logical to conclude that they don't need saving in the same way we do, that is, for lawbreaking. But then that begs the question: what is it that the unborn is being saved from?

 

[chucko10af]

Yes we are, and of course babies who would have lived an otherwise "normal" life would have eventually broken God's Laws. That is what it means to have "original sin", as least, that's how I understand it.

While an aborted baby never had an opportunity to "come to Jesus", it also did not have an opportunity to break God's Laws.



I think you're misunderstanding the point that I made. The point is, one cannot be blamed for who they are or what their particular inclinations or temptations are. People can only be blamed for what we do. And believe me, we do a whole lot to deserve eternal separation from God. However, my question is directed to what the unborn have done to earn eternal separation from God.

Romans 6:23 teaches us the "the wages of sin is death". Another words, by committing sinful acts (lawbreaking), we earn eternal separation from God. Once again, what lawbreaking have the unborn committed that will earn them eternal separation from God?

It seems you are having a difficult time separating original sin from lawbreaking. Original sin is part of our nature. Lawbreaking is something we do as a result of our sinful nature. God does not blame us for having original sin; rather, God blames us for our lawbreaking. That's precisely why we need Jesus: He pays the penalty for our lawbreaking. But if the unborn have not broken any of God's Laws, or Commandments, it seems logical to conclude that they don't need saving in the same way we do, that is, for lawbreaking.

So if a man lives, never breaks a law (10 commandments? not sure which laws you mean) he goes to heaven? Doesn't need jesus at all?

 

[TastyWallet]

So if a man lives, never breaks a law (10 commandments? not sure which laws you mean) he goes to heaven? Doesn't need jesus at all?

Correct. In fact, I would argue that if all of us would perfectly obey God's Laws and Commandments, Jesus would not have had to pay the penalty for our lawbreaking in the first place. The keyword here, of course, is "perfectly."

 

[chucko10af]

Correct. In fact, I would argue that if all of us would perfectly obey God's Laws and Commandments, Jesus would not have had to pay the penalty for our lawbreaking in the first place. The keyword here, of course, is "perfectly."

Ok, I appreciate your insight. So then part 2 of my question here, if aborted babies indeed do go to heaven, what's wrong with abortion? I think one could argue that we should be celebrating abortion doctors for sending all those souls directly to heaven.

 

[TastyWallet]

Ok, I appreciate your insight. So then part 2 of my question here, if aborted babies indeed do go to heaven, what's wrong with abortion? I think one could argue that we should be celebrating abortion doctors for sending all those souls directly to heaven.

No problem! I just hope what I say makes sense to you.

The problem with abortion is the 6th commandment: "Do not murder". Murder is the unjustifiable taking of life. That's essentially what an abortion is from the Christian perspective: it is the unjustifiable taking of human life.

I can see why that argument might be tempting though: it possibly can save children from the consequences of their lawbreaking and allow them to directly go to heaven. However, isn't that supposed to be God's job? We would essentially be "playing God" by taking matters into our own hands. We should let God "play God."