Do aborted babies go to heaven?

[TastyWallet]

That doesn't explain anything to me.

I can only repeat my statement...
I could not imagine what possible reason a god would have to send anyone to hell.

Because I don't see how one can call it "justice" to hand out infinite punishments for finite crimes.

Ok, let me try a different approach.

Suppose I slapped you in the face. You might slap me back.
Suppose I slapped a police offer in the face. He might put me in jail for a few days.
Suppose I slapped the POTUS in the face. Assuming I don't get shot a die, it's federal prison.

The same action against three people gets three different results. Why? Because of their authority. The higher the authority, the higher the offense. The higher the offense, the worse the punishment.

When we break God's Laws, we are committing offenses against God, who is in the maximum authority. Why is the punishment so severe? It's not only the offense that matters, but who it is committed against. When we commit offenses against an infinity Holy God, then it starts to make sense that even finite crimes would incur an equally infinite punishment.

 

[TastyWallet]

I don't see how this is an answer to my question.

The guy who sacrifices his temporal earthly life to save a handfull of other earthly lives, is called a hero.

But the guy who sacrifices his eternal life to save the eternal life of others, is not.

It seems to me that the second guy makes an infinitly larger sacrifice, while the effect of his sacrifice is also infinitly larger, since he saved actual souls and not just bodies that are subject to entropy.

Please explain the rational, instead of merely posting a rule under the pretext of being obedient.

I don't get how you can draw this conclusion from what I said. Maybe you can explain that to me?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

We can obey Christ from commitment to Him, we can surrender to Him and place our government on His shoulders. Or we can use Isaiah 1 and reason for cleanness of heart. But it is all good to us Christians. I see non Christians only want rationality, the latter.

The Dr aborting has no more right to take a babies life than the baby to take his. He is no hero. Did our grandpas thank the Japanese for taking their brother's lives? Or the dead, in God's hands, would they thank God or the enemy soldiers for salvation?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Love does no harm, does not kill the innocent. If someone kills, they will go to the place of all killers, adulterers, fornicators, thieves, slanderers, blasphemers... or else in Heaven they seek to harm the others, and it is not Heaven around them. The saints and angels characters make Heaven in part.

So some people go to Heaven with rewards, some just make it, some go to temporary punishment others to Hell.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I don't get how you can draw this conclusion from what I said. Maybe you can explain that to me?

Given the premise that aborted babies go straight to heaven, I just made an analogy between sacrificing your own life to save other people's lives and sacrificing your eternal life (since if abortion is "murder", it would make you go to hell) to save the eternal lives of others.

For example, if the only way to heaven is by being a christian and "accepting Jesus' gift", then it's safe to say that the thousands of children born in the mountains of Pakistan are all doomed by geographic accident, as they will not grow up to be christians.

Aborting those babies would essentially save them from an eternity of torture. Right?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Given the premise that aborted babies go straight to heaven, I just made an analogy between sacrificing your own life to save other people's lives and sacrificing your eternal life (since if abortion is "murder", it would make you go to hell) to save the eternal lives of others.

For example, if the only way to heaven is by being a christian and "accepting Jesus' gift", then it's safe to say that the thousands of children born in the mountains of Pakistan are all doomed by geographic accident, as they will not grow up to be christians.

Aborting those babies would essentially save them from an eternity of torture. Right?

No, the salvation would only come from Jesus after they die. God is merciful. There is hope of conversion.

If this seems fair to you, why hate the story of Noah and call Moses' actions genocide?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Ok, let me try a different approach.

Suppose I slapped you in the face. You might slap me back.
Suppose I slapped a police offer in the face. He might put me in jail for a few days.
Suppose I slapped the POTUS in the face. Assuming I don't get shot a die, it's federal prison.

The same action against three people gets three different results. Why? Because of their authority. The higher the authority, the higher the offense. The higher the offense, the worse the punishment.

When we break God's Laws, we are committing offenses against God, who is in the maximum authority. Why is the punishment so severe? It's not only the offense that matters, but who it is committed against. When we commit offenses against an infinity Holy God, then it starts to make sense that even finite crimes would incur an equally infinite punishment.

That's a pretty decent argument, I must admit.

Unfortunatly, it falls apart for me once we add the bit of "...believe this particular thing here on unreasonable faith, and all is forgiven".

Aside from that, I'll give you props for having a reasonable reply to my objection. I don't see that to often.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No, the salvation would only come from Jesus after they die. God is merciful. There is hope of conversion.

Are you saying that if one dies as a muslim, that one gets to go to heaven anyway?

If this seems fair to you, why hate the story of Noah and call Moses' actions genocide?

I fail to see what this has anything to do with the topic at hand..

 

[TastyWallet]

Given the premise that aborted babies go straight to heaven, I just made an analogy between sacrificing your own life to save other people's lives and sacrificing your eternal life (since if abortion is "murder", it would make you go to hell) to save the eternal lives of others.

For example, if the only way to heaven is by being a christian and "accepting Jesus' gift", then it's safe to say that the thousands of children born in the mountains of Pakistan are all doomed by geographic accident, as they will not grow up to be christians.

Aborting those babies would essentially save them from an eternity of torture. Right?

Ah yes, I see where you're going with this.

The truth is, the Bible doesn't tell us where such babies will go after death. Ultimately, only God can decide where they will go. I thought my argument was a good one, to suggest that all of them go to heaven. Maybe it's not so good after all, if your argument is used as a rationale behind abortions. Yet, I would also think that this isn't the reason why most abortions happen anyways.

I need to give this some more thought.

 

[ranunculus]

Hello,

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

If they do, all those christian abortion protesters are wasting their time.

 

[Locutus]

Nobody can be blamed for who they are or what their inclinations happen to be. People can only be blamed for what they do. .

You would think. But many Christians don't give a tinker's cuss for 'works', and say it's all about the incantation. Do that, and you can please yourself. As most do.

 

[Locutus]

If it really was all based on deed, as you continue to suggest, why would anyone need (God, religion, Jesus, salvation, etc...)?

I get it. If everyone started behaving decently towards their fellows and towards the natural world, there'd be no need for deities. Well indeed, I can see how the continued failures of humanity are essential to the survival of some religions.

 

[Locutus]

No problem! I just hope what I say makes sense to you.

The problem with abortion is the 6th commandment: "Do not murder". Murder is the unjustifiable taking of life. That's essentially what an abortion is from the Christian perspective: it is the unjustifiable taking of human life.

I can see why that argument might be tempting though: it possibly can save children from the consequences of their lawbreaking and allow them to directly go to heaven. However, isn't that supposed to be God's job? We would essentially be "playing God" by taking matters into our own hands. We should let God "play God."

so .. let god do the killing?

 

[Locutus]

I know when you die as an adult, in heaven you are younger. Or so I heard. Though you look different. But others you knew still recognize you somehow. I don't worry to much about the logistics of it. I trust in God.

This must surely qualify for Post of the Year (to date).

 

[Locutus]

Speaking of the intermediate state how does older or younger even make sense?

It makes sense in the same way that another's 'heaven' offers permanent erections and a truckload of virgins.

In other words, it's wishful thinking on the part of extremely human old men.

 

[patrick jane]

Answer to the OP - YES !!! Of course, dumb question !

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Are you saying that if one dies as a muslim, that one gets to go to heaven anyway?



I fail to see what this has anything to do with the topic at hand..

Yes, some Muslims can make it in the end to Heaven.

Atheists are trying to say that unborn babies dying go to Heaven, so then the Doctors aborting them are doing them a favour. I disagree as in my previous posts. The children owe nothing to the killers but everything to the saviour. That is why I typed in the question of WW2 US soldiers thanking the Japanese.

If abortion seems fair to atheists, why then is God's flooding the world to kill of the child corruptors seem unfair? And the same with calling the actions under Moses genocide. Do abortion doctors hate the babies? Are they somehow really helping the babies go to Heaven? Should the babies learn to be thankful to the doctors in paradise? Are doctors and the parents so wise that that they are entitled to condescend and kill the children understanding that it is for the better?

 

[Locutus]

I think this is something WE MUST leave in the grace, wisdom, and mercy of God.
I don't debate this matter...I let it fall to a gracious and merciful God we know is just and righteous in all He does.

Or, you don't have a clue and haven't really thought about it. And you're not willing to think about it now, in case it makes Yahweh look bad.

Is the motivation to believe in a deity partly to relieve yourself of the burden of this kind of thinking?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

If they do, all those christian abortion protesters are wasting their time.

That is why I typed in that in this life we can earn rewards for Heaven, and have children and take something with us when we die. Babies dying only go to Heaven. Thanks to God, not the Dr.
The baby has as much right to kill the Dr as the Dr has to kill the baby. Referring to unborn babies.

 

[patrick jane]

Or, you don't have a clue and haven't really thought about it. And you're not willing to think about it now, in case it makes Yahweh look bad.

Is the motivation to believe in a deity partly to relieve yourself of the burden of this kind of thinking?

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