Do aborted babies go to heaven?

[SteveB28]

i'll play your game...what's the difference

You don't understand the difference between a baby and a foetus?

Oh dear. Ask your mother.

 

[Cearbhall]

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

Depends on which denomination you ask. It's not as if anyone actually *knows.*

 

[HannahT]

Hello,

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

Remember people are the ones that love legalistic ways, and Jesus spoke out against such things while on earth.

Babies are lost in so many ways besides abortion. Matthew 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." I believe he is speaking of the nature of a child. If the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these LIVING children why would he deny those that never got that far?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Depends on which denomination you ask. It's not as if anyone actually *knows.*

And I think most would say "I don't know" is probably the most correct answer that could be given.

Of course this is problematic if one holds to the idea that there is a clear line of divide between the "in group" and the "out group" and that we have to absolutely know who is in which. Most Christians would argue that such things are simply beyond our knowledge and, really, it's not even our business because that's God's business. It is instead sufficient that we trust that the God who makes Himself known to us in and through Jesus is a God who consistently opts for mercy.

This question is essentially the same question as what is the fate of unbaptized infants and children, and what is the fate of those who never heard of Christ or His Gospel? The answer is we don't know, but we can trust that God is not an evil maniac hell-bent on damning any and everyone who doesn't win the lottery and get the special passcode to eternal bliss. That's not who God is. The God of the Gospel is One who has condescended to meet sinners right where they are, to greet them on the street and share a meal at the same table as them. A God who chooses to be crucified and cries out, "Father, forgive them!"

-CryptoLutheran

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I think the one atheist guy was asking are they still babies in heaven or older. And its a good question. I'd imagine their a bit older. I know when you die as an adult, in heaven you are younger. Or so I heard. Though you look different. But others you knew still recognize you somehow. I don't worry to much about the logistics of it. I trust in God.

 

[SteveB28]

I think the one atheist guy was asking are they still babies in heaven or older. And its a good question. I'd imagine their a bit older. I know when you die as an adult, in heaven you are younger. Or so I heard. Though you look different. But others you knew still recognize you somehow. I don't worry to much about the logistics of it. I trust in God.

I've heard that, in Valhalla, all the hall maidens are clones of Britt Ekland.

 

[stevevw]

That all depends on if the unborn child has broken God's Laws. I don't see how they could have possibly done that, considering that they spend their entire life inside the womb. While ultimately, it is for God to decide where we all will go, I could not imagine what possible reason God would have to send them to hell.

I guess its the same a a person who is brain damaged. How do they even know they are sinning. How would God judge them. There must be some allowance for this. Thats why the bible talks about there is more responsibility for those who have more or know more.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I know when you die as an adult, in heaven you are younger. Or so I heard.

There's also a couple theological assumptions here that are problematic:

The most problematic issue here is the idea that we go to some place called "heaven" for all eternity, something which neither Scripture nor the historic teachings of the Church ever even so much as suggest. The Christian teaching is that while, yes, there is an intermediate time of waiting in the Lord's presence (we can call this "heaven" if we like) it is temporal, as what we look forward to is the resurrection of the body and an eternal life here on this world God made (c.f. Romans 8:11, 1 Corinthians 15, Philippians 3:21, Isaiah 26:19, Isaiah 65:17-25, Revelation 21 and 22).

Speaking of the intermediate state how does older or younger even make sense? As in, age makes sense as it pertains to the bodily life, we experience an aging process from infancy to old age. But what does something without a body "look like" at all? Scripture says so remarkably little about that state between death and resurrection to the point that we literally can say almost nothing at all about it, all Scripture says is that we will be present with the Lord--it doesn't even indicate what that actually means. It's a popular image, that of people on fluffy clouds, walking streets of gold, passing through pearly gates being greeted by St. Peter, wearing robes, strumming harps etc. But absolutely none of that has anything to do with biblical or Christian teaching.

No there is a point to be made about miscarriages, infants, etc in the resurrection. All we are told is that in the resurrection the body has been transformed from mortal to immortal, from corruptible to incorruptible; exactly how that ultimately looks for each and every individual is impossible to even speculate upon.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Desk trauma]

Hello,

This is a serious question that I have been struggling with. Do aborted babies go to heaven?

If you say yes, then the only moral choice when a woman finds her self pregnant is to have an abortion. Why risk the child not buying what Christianity is selling and suffer eternally for it?

Also, if embryos and fetuses go to heaven would it not be odd to find your self in an afterlife populated mostly be souls who never were aware of their existence prior to entering heaven?

 

[ebedmelech]

I think this is something WE MUST leave in the grace, wisdom, and mercy of God. Many give "educated guesses" about this. They will cite what David said when the child born to Bathsheba was born and died on the seventh day (2 Samuel 12). David made the statement that he would go to where the child was, indicating David's belief the child was with the Lord.

That child was clearly born alive and died...so that doesn't fit the scenario this thread presents. However we know God required death of one who injured a pregnant woman in an act of violence against that woman which caused her to lose the child (Exodus 21:22-24). I think we can clearly conclude from that, that God viewed that unborn child as a living being.

When it comes to abortion I believe God views that child as a living being...BUT...we have nothing in scripture that tells us all babies that die in the womb, go into God's presence.

I don't debate this matter...I let it fall to a gracious and merciful God we know is just and righteous in all He does.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If they do, are they still unborn babies when they get there? Babies without parents?

How does that work?

God assigns someone to take care of them until their parents get there. Also their angels watch over them. If people do not like children then they will not be happy in heaven. Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

 

[GrowingSmaller]

IIRC the Catholics teach "baptism of desire" - if the soul of the baby would have chosen baptism, then it is treated as if it did...

 

[Merlin]

Is there no original sin?

Original sin is taught by some churches but it is not biblical to teach punishment for the sins of another.
We are each punished for our own sins.
an unborn baby does not sin.
To sin is to violate the given law. An unborn baby does not violate the law.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That all depends on if the unborn child has broken God's Laws. I don't see how they could have possibly done that, considering that they spend their entire life inside the womb. While ultimately, it is for God to decide where we all will go, I could not imagine what possible reason God would have to send them to hell.

I could not imagine what possible reason a god would have to send anyone to hell.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No problem! I just hope what I say makes sense to you.

The problem with abortion is the 6th commandment: "Do not murder". Murder is the unjustifiable taking of life. That's essentially what an abortion is from the Christian perspective: it is the unjustifiable taking of human life.

I can see why that argument might be tempting though: it possibly can save children from the consequences of their lawbreaking and allow them to directly go to heaven. However, isn't that supposed to be God's job? We would essentially be "playing God" by taking matters into our own hands. We should let God "play God."

It sounds to me though, as if being an abortion doctor is a truelly selfless heroic profession, if this is how you see it.

When a guy sacrifices his life by jumping on a grenade to save bystanders, the man is declared an epic hero.
It seems to me that sacrificing eternal life to save the eternal life of others, is then by extension nothing short of a legendary heroic act.

Why is the guy who jumps on a grenade a hero, while the one who performs an abortion is not, considering your quoted statements?

 

[TastyWallet]

It sounds to me though, as if being an abortion doctor is a truelly selfless heroic profession, if this is how you see it.

When a guy sacrifices his life by jumping on a grenade to save bystanders, the man is declared an epic hero.
It seems to me that sacrificing eternal life to save the eternal life of others, is then by extension nothing short of a legendary heroic act.

Why is the guy who jumps on a grenade a hero, while the one who performs an abortion is not, considering your quoted statements?

Because of the 6th commandment: "Do not murder".

 

[TastyWallet]

I could not imagine what possible reason a god would have to send anyone to hell.

Romans 6:23.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Because of the 6th commandment: "Do not murder".

I don't see how this is an answer to my question.

The guy who sacrifices his temporal earthly life to save a handfull of other earthly lives, is called a hero.

But the guy who sacrifices his eternal life to save the eternal life of others, is not.

It seems to me that the second guy makes an infinitly larger sacrifice, while the effect of his sacrifice is also infinitly larger, since he saved actual souls and not just bodies that are subject to entropy.

Please explain the rational, instead of merely posting a rule under the pretext of being obedient.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Romans 6:23.

That doesn't explain anything to me.

I can only repeat my statement...
I could not imagine what possible reason a god would have to send anyone to hell.

Because I don't see how one can call it "justice" to hand out infinite punishments for finite crimes.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Aborted babies go to Heaven, or paradise and are in good order, but never got to earn rewards or gain from life in the body, never got to have children, and never had the opportunity to do good or evil. They must forgive severe rejection in the expert hands of their guardian angels.