DNA Code Indicates Creator

[Subduction Zone]

Ya'll are a riot, I'm starting to rememeber why I bowed out last time.

Was it because you have nothing to offer and people ridicule your posts?

You could use this as a chance to learn. There is a reason that you keep getting the same answers. Not just from me, but from people that you met long before me.

If you at least learned what is and what is not evidence, a subject where we need bring up evolution at all, you will be a better debater for it.

 

[bhsmte]

Ya'll are a riot, I'm starting to rememeber why I bowed out last time.

I think most know why you bow out of these types of discussions.

 

[Truthfrees]

MOD HAT

Thread closed at OP's request.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Thread Reopened per OP Request

Please remember the site rules when debating.​

 

[Radrook]

I just did actually watch the video, and it's beyond stunning how unbelievers can be in such sheer denial.

Absolutely true. It is called anti-theism. The following article explains all its nuances. Here is an excerpt describing one aspect of it:

Opposition to theism

The Oxford English Dictionary defines antitheist as "One opposed to belief in the existence of a god". The earliest citation given for this meaning dates from 1833.[2] An antitheist may oppose belief in the existence of any god or gods, and not merely one god in particular.

Antitheism has been adopted as a label by those who regard theism as dangerous, destructive, or encouraging of harmful behavior. Christopher Hitchens offers an example of this approach in Letters to a Young Contrarian (2001), in which he writes: "I'm not even an atheist so much as I am an antitheist; I not only maintain that all religions are versions of the same untruth, but I hold that the influence of churches, and the effect of religious belief, is positively harmful."[3]
　
Antitheism - Wikipedia

Other aspects are described in other parts of the article.

 

[Radrook]

Maybe that's all there is to it, or they had no God at all.

Well, the school educational system does go out of its way to inculcate a totally Godless view of our existence so if indeed parents are negligent in the slightest in countering that influence then atheism will definitely take over the young vulnerable minds of the children and they will grow up to be fanatically atheistic because they will equate it with being smart and irrefutable. After all, if it weren't so, then why did the school teachers, supposedly smart people, teach it as fact? So when as adults they come across information that in any way indicates the opposite of what they were taught, such individuals will tend to respond with a mindless knee-jerk reaction of total denial instead of objectively analyzing the evidence as cogent reasoning demands.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well, the school educational system does go out of its way to inculcate a totally Godless view of our existence

Then you should have no problem providing, say, 10 quotes from high school science books which explicitly say that god is imaginary. Let's see how many you can actually find.

 

[KCfromNC]

Absolutely true. It is called anti-theism.

Considering this sort of creationist propaganda has failed to even convince many Christian scientist that ID is science, I can't imagine why you're singling out non-believers as if they're somehow different than the general trend.

 

[Speedwell]

Well, the school educational system does go out of its way to inculcate a totally Godless view of our existence so if indeed parents are negligent in the slightest in countering that influence then atheism will definitely take over the young vulnerable minds of the children and they will grow up to be fanatically atheistic because they will equate it with being smart and irrefutable. After all, if it weren't so, then why did the school teachers, supposedly smart people, teach it as fact? So when as adults they come across information that in any way indicates the opposite of what they were taught, such individuals will tend to respond with a mindless knee-jerk reaction of total denial instead of objectively analyzing the evidence as cogent reasoning demands.

That is an astonishing accusation. Most of the teachers in this country are at least nominally Christian and would not teach such a thing. You are going to have to supply some evidence to back up your charge or be dismissed as a slanderer.

 

[Radrook]

Then you should have no problem providing, say, 10 quotes from high school science books which explicitly say that god is imaginary. Let's see how many you can actually find.

Things need not be directly stated. Simple omission is suffice to provide a strong incentive for an unavoidable inference.

 

[Speedwell]

Things need not be directly stated. Simple omission is suffice to provide a strong incentive for an unavoidable inference.

So how, exactly would you remedy this omission? Be specific about subject matter content.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Absolutely true. It is called anti-theism. The following article explains all its nuances. Here is an excerpt describing one aspect of it:



Other aspects are described in other parts of the article.

I think it was yesterday, we had a guy here start a thread trying to find out how we know Christ was real and what not, but he started out to say, in so many words, he understands there must be a God, that part is obvious. For me, even before the bible, before anything taken into consideration, just the basics of how did existence start, no doubt points to God.

Interesting quote, and given the mind blowing proof of the existence God, I think there are a few more reasons God is rejected, other than what they mentioned. One being the obvious, they don't wan to do what he says. And two, the result of not doing what he says is quite harsh, so they need to explain God away for themselves and everyone in order to get rid of that problem, or, in short, fear.

 

[bhsmte]

Then you should have no problem providing, say, 10 quotes from high school science books which explicitly say that god is imaginary. Let's see how many you can actually find.

Good luck with that.

 

[bhsmte]

Things need not be directly stated. Simple omission is suffice to provide a strong incentive for an unavoidable inference.

Simple solution. Provide reliable scientific evidence that something should not be omitted and science will include it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

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I said I believe, and I believe because of what I observe. Ive gone over it several times here. Just look around, go outside an look around some more, that is my evidence. IOW, it's there, and the only way I have ever see anything come to be "there" is for it to be created so, in turn I surmise it was created.

Excellent logic in my view.

No you "back up" your alternative, okay?

 

[bhsmte]

I said I believe, and I believe because of what I observe. Ive gone over it several times here. Just look around, go outside an look around some more, that is my evidence. IOW, it's there, and the only way I have ever see anything come to be "there" is for it to be created so, in turn I surmise it was created.

Excellent logic in my view.

No you "back up" your alternative, okay?

Do people with different religious beliefs than your own also use excellent logic to reach their different conclusions? If not, why not?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Do people with different religious beliefs than your own also use excellent logic to reach their different conclusions? If not, why not?

Ask them. Hey, some people think it's logical it all just came to be on it's on, so I warn you, be ready to expect anything, then you decide what is logical and what is not. I've already told you what I feel is logical.

You didn't answer my question, BTW.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ask them. Hey, some people think it's logical it all just came to be on it's on, so I warn you, be ready to expect anything, then you decide what is logical and what is not. I've already told you what I feel is logical.

You didn't answer my question, BTW.

Your logic adds up to you believing what you want to believe. That is not "excellent logic". But it is the typical logic of a theist, whatever religion he follows.

 

[KCfromNC]

I said I believe, and I believe because of what I observe. Ive gone over it several times here. Just look around, go outside an look around some more, that is my evidence. IOW, it's there, and the only way I have ever see anything come to be "there" is for it to be created so, in turn I surmise it was created.

Interesting. I've looked at lots of things and I've never seen anything created ex nihilo using magic as described by creationists. Must be something unique to where you live.

No you "back up" your alternative, okay?

What alternative do you feel I'm proposing?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Interesting. I've looked at lots of things and I've never seen anything created ex nihilo using magic as described by creationists. Must be something unique to where you live.

To the ignorant of such technology like myself/you, and others, something like creation will seem like magic, just as a transistor radio would seem like magic to someone who has no knowledge of technology, but that doesn't mean its magic. However, if the concept is too much for us, magic's fine if we must, and something we can deal with a little easier, just know it's likely not magic and could be understood once/if explained.

Besides, surely you know the general alternative to God creating can be seen as magic just as easily, maybe more so. Point of that? Might as well drop the magic stuff, it cancels itself out in this area for that reason, even though it is a favorite for some.

What alternative do you feel I'm proposing?

Does it matter? I just assume you have an alternative because we are here after all, and you disagree with my ideas so....

If you don't have an alternative, then I guess it's pretty easy to figure out what to do with that question.