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Let me add another important point. When I speak of a man confessing sin, I am referring to one who has repented as well. One who seeks to obey the Lord and follow him. I am overwhelmed with what I am reading, that one who has married a woman who he committed adultery with, but confesses and seeks to obey the Lord in his life...BUT YOU WOULD SAY THAT ENTAILS TO DIVORCE HER AND GO BACK TO THE FORMER WIFE.
That is totally unbiblical. To say that a man who is now remarried, cannot repent, that is change his life ( I am familiar with metanoeo, to change, or turn around) cannot do this unless he is free fromt the woman that he has married is unbelievable!

I don't think it honors Christ or his Word or His changing grace to suggest that a Christian woman who has married a man, who had originally committed adultery, but now both are serving Christ and living godly lives to equate them with someone running next door having sex with the neighbors wife over and over and over again!

This is not Christ's teaching.

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dwhitaker said:
Yes, when Jesus said if someone marries another person's wife, husband, it is adultery.
However, that sin can be confessed and forgiven. It is not perpetual adultery.
Show me where it tells a man who has remarried that he must divorce this woman?
Otherwise, if he sins perpetually by remarriage, and there is no way out...you have just created an unpardonable sin, which the Bible does not teach any other sin to be unpardonable other than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Maybe it would help to look at this the way God sees it. When a man leaves his father & mother and takes a wife, GOD CAUSES the two to become 'one'. That never changes as long as both live. If that couple splits, by man's decree (divorce), GOD STILL SEES THEM AS ONE. Should either 'remarry', they commit adultry against the original spouse, because God STILL SEES THE ORIGINAL COVENANT COUPLE AS ONE. To 'divorce' this second union, is simply to cease to commit adultry, because they are not made one BY GOD. That happened in the first covenant marriage.

I encourage any pastor to whom this thread applies to take God at His word. Repent by ceasing the sin, THEN see the ministry impact you have on people's lives.

In all humility, we need to remember- Ezra (chp 9-10) gives the account of the men of Israel divorcing unlawful wives- in repentance.

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Maybe it would help to look at this the way God sees it.

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I believe - my humble opinion - is that this marriage ministry is full of condemnation and binds people to shame and unfruitful & miserable lives.

God is a God of second chances.....and third ..... and fourth.

I lived in the shame and condemnation heaped on me by these so-called "marriage ministries" for a long time - until thankfully, a loving & wise pastor showed me the error of the legalism and condemning spirit these ministries have.

When one is married to someone who adulterates, abuses and betrays....and tries with all their might - through prayer, fasting, counsel - to keep the marriage intact....but the cheating spouse forces a divorce upon them, it is NOT that person's fault. And I do not believe it is God's will that the innocent spouse be condemned to a life of solitude because another human desecrated the marriage vows and broke covenant.

God is merciful and knows hearts. Thank God He is judging me and not some of mankind.
 
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Christina M said:
I believe - my humble opinion - is that this marriage ministry is full of condemnation and binds people to shame and unfruitful & miserable lives.

God is a God of second chances.....and third ..... and fourth.

I lived in the shame and condemnation heaped on me by these so-called "marriage ministries" for a long time - until thankfully, a loving & wise pastor showed me the error of the legalism and condemning spirit these ministries have.

When one is married to someone who adulterates, abuses and betrays....and tries with all their might - through prayer, fasting, counsel - to keep the marriage intact....but the cheating spouse forces a divorce upon them, it is NOT that person's fault. And I do not believe it is God's will that the innocent spouse be condemned to a life of solitude because another human desecrated the marriage vows and broke covenant.

God is merciful and knows hearts. Thank God He is judging me and not some of mankind.

Hi Christina,
You have my complete sympathies for the pain you've had to endure because of someone elses choices. But I have to remain biblical in my interpretation of situations like yours.

If you look at the following verses, they show us remarriage is never permitted (unless it's to the original covenant spouse, or after widowhood).

Matthew 19:1-12
Mark 10:10-11
Luke 16:18
Romans 7:2-3
1Corinthians 7:10-11
1Corinthians 7:39

These are clear. If we truly are in relationship with God to please Him, proving our love by our obedience- He will be more than a dozen husbands could ever be. Our marriage covenant is ALSO with God. Consider Jesus, who never married on earth- submitted Himself to His Father in humble obedience and patiently awaits His Bride- us. We rob ourselves and those we influence, when we don't enter into the 'fellowship of HIS suffering'. How can we, who name HIS name, orchestrate our lives apart from HIS word?

Please be careful....consider Jesus' example...consider His great love that makes it possible to receive HIS strength and fellowship- His GRACE to do what He asks us to do...

Again, I'm motivated to write these posts, NOT WITH JUDGMENT, but out of sincere love and concern. It's a horrible indictment against the Church, when it's divorce rates EXCEED those of the secular world.

Much love in Him
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Well, then Honibee...you ARE going to judge me.....oh well...

I AM remarried already....
to a wonderful, kind, godly Christian man. :)

And, you know what....... God is a God of grace ...NOT of condemnation you folks dish out.

I did not CHOOSE to get divorced (nor did I choose to go through the pain of my so-called 'covenant spouse' betraying me and the kids, and doing all the other heinous things he did). Perhaps he was NOT my covenant spouse all along?? Maybe I made a mistake when I thought he was?? Who knows.

I did it your way..... I "stood" for years for my ex... to repent, to come back to me and the Lord... sad part is he still thinks he and God are OK. I did the prayer and fasting route.... and withstood the shame and condemnation from ministries like the one you posted. It was all in vain. And I know many other wonderful people who are in bondage because of the condemnation that flows from these ministries.

Whatever. God is bigger than it all. And in my heart of hearts I know He is pleased that I am in a wonderful marriage now.

It is too bad that some people can't be just as pleased.

So, it's OK with me if you choose to stand by your beliefs and tell people who believe otherwise that they are not believing the true Word of God. But, I don't have to receive it.......and will not force that condemnation upon anyone.


P.S. And guess what! God must be pleased because my husband and I have a ministry to the homeless and God is using it to feed, clothe and bring His love to thousands of people each year.

I am glad God doesn't listen to marriage ministries like the one you posted.....or else I'd be rotting in hell right now:o


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Hi Christina,
You have my complete sympathies for the pain you've had to endure because of someone elses choices. But I have to remain biblical in my interpretation of situations like yours.

If you look at the following verses, they show us remarriage is never permitted (unless it's to the original covenant spouse, or after widowhood).

Matthew 19:1-12
Mark 10:10-11
Luke 16:18
Romans 7:2-3
1Corinthians 7:10-11
1Corinthians 7:39

These are clear. If we truly are in relationship with God to please Him, proving our love by our obedience- He will be more than a dozen husbands could ever be. Our marriage covenant is ALSO with God. Consider Jesus, who never married on earth- submitted Himself to His Father in humble obedience and patiently awaits His Bride- us. We rob ourselves and those we influence, when we don't enter into the 'fellowship of HIS suffering'. How can we, who name HIS name, orchestrate our lives apart from HIS word?

Please be careful....consider Jesus' example...consider His great love that makes it possible to receive HIS strength and fellowship- His GRACE to do what He asks us to do...

Again, I'm motivated to write these posts, NOT WITH JUDGMENT, but out of sincere love and concern. It's a horrible indictment against the Church, when it's divorce rates EXCEED those of the secular world.

Much love in Him
Feel free to PM me, if I can help
in any other way...

www.marriagedivorce.com
 
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christina said:
I did it your way..... I "stood" for years for my ex... to repent, to come back to me and the Lord... sad part is he still thinks he and God are OK. I did the prayer and fasting route.... and withstood the shame and condemnation from ministries like the one you posted. It was all in vain. And I know many other wonderful people who are in bondage because of the condemnation that flows from these ministries.

Whatever. God is bigger than it all. And in my heart of hearts I know He is pleased that I am in a wonderful marriage now.

It is too bad that some people can't be just as pleased.

So, it's OK with me if you choose to stand by your beliefs and tell people who believe otherwise that they are not believing the true Word of God. But, I don't have to receive it.


I'm alittle confused Christina as to which scriptures I presented were not clear enough? They cover remarriage in EVERY conceivable situation, and forbid it. This isn't MY 'way'- it's what God has established from the beginning.

I've presented what Jesus and Paul clearly have established as the standard of marriage, divorce, and remarriage under the new covenant of Jesus' redemption.

christina said:
So, it's OK with me if you choose to stand by your beliefs and tell people who believe otherwise that they are not believing the true Word of God. But, I don't have to receive it...


You are so right- you don't have to receive it. And neither do we, who have entered into the walk of obedience, have to be silent when the Lord, who proved HIS LOVE by HIS OBEDIENCE UNTO DEATH, is held to 'conditional' love by those who claim His name. By all appearances, God is god to some, ONLY when they are 'happy'. Pity, those people will never know true joy in that state- the joy that was set before Jesus when he endured the cross, and suffered shame...the joy He invites us to share with Him in the fellowship of His suffering...

I have identified error, but I don't condemn you, I honestly don't condemn you...

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David had the husband killed and it did end the adulterous relationship by the rules God made. It also made David a murderer and if I'm not mistaken it was part of the reason David's sons ended up having so much trouble. Like it or not God takes adultery seriously. I understand how easy legal divorce is these days and how appealing it is to take another legal spouse in an adulterous way. Its hard to be Godly when societys laws do not mirror God's. With the huge amount of single people living in sin I guess it should be no wonder legally married people would choose to do likewise.

dwhitaker said:
Yes, when Jesus said if someone marries another person's wife, husband, it is adultery.
However, that sin can be confessed and forgiven. It is not perpetual adultery.
Show me where it tells a man who has remarried that he must divorce this woman?

David, think about what you are asking. Would it make sense if Jesus said, 'if you marry someone else's wife its adultery and you have to get a divorce.'? That is an illogical statement because if you have to get a divorce then you are in fact married! And if you are married you are joined to another person in one flesh by God, would God so bless what Jesus defines as an adulterous relationship? Since Jesus defines such a relationship as adultery the marriage is a sham. If someone married your wife after you did would they need a divorce or would the marriage be nonsense, adultery, to begin with? If this person had sex with your wife would it be adultery since they have the paperwork to be married, after you married her first? If not, how many times does adultery have to be consummated before it ceases to be perpetual sin and becomes marriage in God's eyes? EDIT What if they did great works together and had a very popular ministry? Would that make up for the adultery? What can you do to get permission to sin?EDIT

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Otherwise, if he sins perpetually by remarriage, and there is no way out...you have just created an unpardonable sin, which the Bible does not teach any other sin to be unpardonable other than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

The way out is to return to his wife/children. In effect, to stop committing the sin of adultery. We all choose whether or not to sin. Sometimes its easier to sin than not to.

dwhitaker said:
I respect your stands upon what you believe, autumnleaf and honibee, but I have not read anything that smacks of the teaching of God's Word, even though you have quoted many scriptures. I have heard this line of reasoning,and the dogmatism doesn't ring true with the Bible's teaching on grace.

I suppose if you believe God's grace is freedom to sin without ever having to say you're sorry or fix the messes made by the sin, what we are presenting does sound severe and alien to your way of thinking. If its any consolation I have trouble seeing your cavalier attitude toward this. Your ability to place your values over scripture under the guise of God's grace has me equally baffled. Do you really think Jesus suffered and died the way he did so people would willfully disregard his teachings and leave their husbands/wives for other men/women without having to worry about going to Hell for it?

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I still have to wonder how you would respond to all the great saints of the Bible with their many sins, yet they confessed them and sought the Lord with a true heart and God used them mightily. I wonder what scriptures you would use to tell them that they have no business leading others.
Grace
David

Which great Saint was in an adulterous relationship while leading others for the Lord? Which Saint lived in this sort of relationship with both God's knowledge and God's blessing? You can use big pretty letters all you want to say I'm wrong. Too bad it doesn't contribute much to your credibility in this issue.
 
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dwhitaker said:
Let me add another important point. When I speak of a man confessing sin, I am referring to one who has repented as well. One who seeks to obey the Lord and follow him. I am overwhelmed with what I am reading, that one who has married a woman who he committed adultery with, but confesses and seeks to obey the Lord in his life...BUT YOU WOULD SAY THAT ENTAILS TO DIVORCE HER AND GO BACK TO THE FORMER WIFE.
That is totally unbiblical. To say that a man who is now remarried, cannot repent, that is change his life ( I am familiar with metanoeo, to change, or turn around) cannot do this unless he is free fromt the woman that he has married is unbelievable!

I don't think it honors Christ or his Word or His changing grace to suggest that a Christian woman who has married a man, who had originally committed adultery, but now both are serving Christ and living godly lives to equate them with someone running next door having sex with the neighbors wife over and over and over again!

This is not Christ's teaching.

David

If this was not Christ's teaching why did he say it is adultery to remarry under such circumstances?:scratch:
 
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Wow-God bless you...but I applaud Christina M. who has been freed from the throws of legalism. The Pharisees often quoted Moses, but they had their own version. The problem the Pharisees had was that they were real good with the letter of the law, but they missed the Spirit of it. You all quote Jesus alot, but you are missing the Spirit of Jesus' teaching. You say you believe in grace, but you are not consistent.

You speak of obedience in the same vein that the Pharisees did, who put unbearble burdens on the backs of the weak...and burdens they honestly couldn't carry either, but pretended to, since the sins others committed was not the ones they committed.

Sure, we are to live godly. Da. No kidding. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments". The Bible also says that if "we practice sin, that is live continually and willfully in sin, we are not of God". However, we are also sinners folks. Hello?
Jesus said "if we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us". 1 John 2:1 says that "if we sin, we have an advocate (counselor for our defense), Jesus Christ, the righteous one". Now, we know as Paul said, that we do not purposely sin more so that grace will abound...but we will sin...and when and if we do, God acts in merciful and gracious ways.

You all amaze me, you really do. This reminds me more of the editorials than a forum.
I went through a painful divorce. I will not honor the enemy by going into sordid details that gives no honor to Christ. I will say, though, that I was not the innocent party in the divorce. I will also say, that I could not look up into heaven for over a year, and could only pray that the Lord would be merciful. I hurt, that I hurt others.
I cried so hard that I thought I would die. I let many people down. I let myself down.
I let God down. But one day, I began to find Christians, some were my own children and family telling me, David, God is not finished with you. He is gracious and merciful.
I know my heart was right. I was not prideful and insistent that I deserved any good for my sin. God heard my cry and showed his mercy in many many ways. I thank the Lord for His grace. I do not deserve to continue to serve Him. My son Pastors with me in our church. My son was hurt by my divorce too. But God has so restored me that He has given me my son, who loves his dad, and respects his dad. He is married, not divorced...and does not believe in divorce. He believes, as does his dad that marriage is permanent, and that divorce is often destructive.

He also, though, believes that when God restores, He does so fully. He can take any sin and our painful past and remember it no more. When I confessed and repented, desired to continue to serve the Lord. I could not, nor should not have gone back to my former wife. First, I remarried a wonderful Christian woman, who came from an hurtful, abusive marriage. My former wife, remarried a man. I am sorry but I am not going to hear that going back in this situation is what God expected, and that this is the only way for me to discontinue perpetual adultery. I haven't heard what you are saying from Christ either and neither have you.

You know, when Jesus confronted the woman at the well, which is the New Testament, by the way.. He spoke to the religious pharisees about their having stones in their hands ready to kill this adulterer. According to the law, she was guilty of death. It is interesting that Jesus asked them who of them was without sin. His implication was that any of their sins were able to condemn them as was this sin of this woman. Jesus, in grace, told her to "go and sin no more". She went out to tell others about what she had heard.

May you hear what the Spirit of God is saying, and respond to what He is saying.

Grace
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autumnleaf said:
Your ability to place your values over scripture under the guise of God's grace has me equally baffled. Do you really think Jesus suffered and died the way he did so people would willfully disregard his teachings and leave their husbands/wives for other men/women without having to worry about going to Hell for it?

Thank you, Autumnleaf for hitting the nail on the head...
 
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I'm alittle confused Christina as to which scriptures I presented were not clear enough? They cover remarriage in EVERY conceivable situation, and forbid it. This isn't MY 'way'- it's what God has established from the beginning.


You have left out the grace of God.

Honibee said:
I have identified error, but I don't condemn you, I honestly don't condemn you...


Your whole posts are condeming...........you open with condemnation and condescending tone.... "which scriptures I presented were not clear enough?".....


Then you say you have "identified" my errors, but .......hey, but you don't condemn me?? WOW.


Sorry....... my God is bigger than that. My God HATES a man who covers his wife in violence..... my husband was violent, he was an adulterer and a thief.....and he did NOT repent.


My God has GRACE AND MERCY AND COMPASSION. He has NOT sentenced me to further isolation and hell on earth, just because a man desecrated me, like those who take your stance do. THANK GOD! :bow:
 
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christina said:
God HATES a man who covers his wife in violence..... my husband was violent, he was an adulterer and a thief.....and he did NOT repent.


Absolutely right Christina. What your husband did, God hated. You said for a time you stood for your marraige, and that was good. But did you seek God, to know HIM, whether or not your husband ever made the right choices?

Romans 7:2-3 teaches all who would be followers of Jesus, that to remarry when the original spouse lives, IS ADULTRY. These are GOD'S words.

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Your whole posts are condeming


We need to look at what condemnation is. Suppose a person is tried and found guilty of murder. The judge sentences him to death by injection. THAT is condemnation, punishment carried out. All the evidence brought against the man was not the condemnation. I am not your judge, and I do not condemn you. I've shown scripture that has brought light to the divorce / remarriage issue. My honest prayer is that eyes would be opened to the truth.

Romans 7:2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Romans7:3: So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

If what I'm saying is legalistic- than Jesus and Paul are legalistic.


We need to CONSIDER JESUS, who taught us to live in obedience- in the power and grace of God, though it costs. Yes, we suffer in our lifetime- but none of us has suffered like Jesus did. God has answers for the d/r, but it's not in continued sin (called so by scripture).
 
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dwhit said:
Yes, when Jesus said if someone marries another person's wife, husband, it is adultery.
However, that sin can be confessed and forgiven. It is not perpetual adultery.
Show me where it tells a man who has remarried that he must divorce this woman?
Otherwise, if he sins perpetually by remarriage, and there is no way out...you have just created an unpardonable sin, which the Bible does not teach any other sin to be unpardonable other than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.


Sin needs to be forsaken, don't overlook that.
Because you say it Sir, doesn't make it true that marrying another man's wife is not perpetual adultry. Both Jesus and Paul say it is. (Ro. 7:2-3)


Again, as you asked- Ezra 10. The men of Israel DIVORCED UNLAWFUL WIVES- IN REPENTANCE!
 
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dw said:
Let me add another important point. When I speak of a man confessing sin, I am referring to one who has repented as well. One who seeks to obey the Lord and follow him. I am overwhelmed with what I am reading, that one who has married a woman who he committed adultery with, but confesses and seeks to obey the Lord in his life...BUT YOU WOULD SAY THAT ENTAILS TO DIVORCE HER AND GO BACK TO THE FORMER WIFE.
That is totally unbiblical. To say that a man who is now remarried, cannot repent, that is change his life ( I am familiar with metanoeo, to change, or turn around) cannot do this unless he is free fromt the woman that he has married is unbelievable!

I don't think it honors Christ or his Word or His changing grace to suggest that a Christian woman who has married a man, who had originally committed adultery, but now both are serving Christ and living godly lives to equate them with someone running next door having sex with the neighbors wife over and over and over again!

This is not Christ's teaching.


I have to wonder with Autumnleaf- what exactly did Jesus mean, if not this?

Again, if a man divorces his wife and marries another, he commits adultry. Paul says in Romans that that adultry is constant, by calling the woman an adulteress. (Romans 7:2-3)
 
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We need to CONSIDER JESUS, who taught us to live in obedience- in the power and grace of God, though it costs. Yes, we suffer in our lifetime- but none of us has suffered like Jesus did. God has answers for the d/r, but it's not in continued sin (called so by scripture).




But........you are not judging me??? Yeah, right.

Thank GOD for ministers who walk in freedom and grace and mercy.

My pastor calls me "Woman of God" and knows that regardless of my past - and my so terrible "sin" of getting on with my life after being abused and cheated on - God uses me.........loves me........and most importantly has REDEEMED me! :bow:

I refuse to engage with your legalism any further.
 
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I'm sorry you feel that way- what you call 'legalism' is the very word
of God (Matt. 19:9, Mark 10:11-12, Lk.16:18, Ro. 7:2-3, 1Cor. 7:39).


More condemnation.:mad:


Do you realize that every time you say what you say to someone who has already remarried that you are HEAPING condemnation on them????

Then you smugly say: "It is the Word, not me."

What would you have all of us do........... commit suicide to end our horrible sinning? Put on sackcloth and ashes to appease the legalists?

Sorry. No way.

God is using us poor pathetic sinning losers........even if you don't accept it.

I am grateful He is full of GRACE, COMPASSION AND MERCY!:bow:
 
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dwhitaker said:
Wow-God bless you...but I applaud Christina M. who has been freed from the throws of legalism. The Pharisees often quoted Moses, but they had their own version. The problem the Pharisees had was that they were real good with the letter of the law, but they missed the Spirit of it. You all quote Jesus alot, but you are missing the Spirit of Jesus' teaching. You say you believe in grace, but you are not consistent.

You speak of obedience in the same vein that the Pharisees did, who put unbearble burdens on the backs of the weak...and burdens they honestly couldn't carry either, but pretended to, since the sins others committed was not the ones they committed.

Sure, we are to live godly. Da. No kidding. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments". The Bible also says that if "we practice sin, that is live continually and willfully in sin, we are not of God". However, we are also sinners folks. Hello?
Jesus said "if we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us". 1 John 2:1 says that "if we sin, we have an advocate (counselor for our defense), Jesus Christ, the righteous one". Now, we know as Paul said, that we do not purposely sin more so that grace will abound...but we will sin...and when and if we do, God acts in merciful and gracious ways.

You all amaze me, you really do. This reminds me more of the editorials than a forum.
I went through a painful divorce. I will not honor the enemy by going into sordid details that gives no honor to Christ. I will say, though, that I was not the innocent party in the divorce. I will also say, that I could not look up into heaven for over a year, and could only pray that the Lord would be merciful. I hurt, that I hurt others.
I cried so hard that I thought I would die. I let many people down. I let myself down.
I let God down. But one day, I began to find Christians, some were my own children and family telling me, David, God is not finished with you. He is gracious and merciful.
I know my heart was right. I was not prideful and insistent that I deserved any good for my sin. God heard my cry and showed his mercy in many many ways. I thank the Lord for His grace. I do not deserve to continue to serve Him. My son Pastors with me in our church. My son was hurt by my divorce too. But God has so restored me that He has given me my son, who loves his dad, and respects his dad. He is married, not divorced...and does not believe in divorce. He believes, as does his dad that marriage is permanent, and that divorce is often destructive.

He also, though, believes that when God restores, He does so fully. He can take any sin and our painful past and remember it no more. When I confessed and repented, desired to continue to serve the Lord. I could not, nor should not have gone back to my former wife. First, I remarried a wonderful Christian woman, who came from an hurtful, abusive marriage. My former wife, remarried a man. I am sorry but I am not going to hear that going back in this situation is what God expected, and that this is the only way for me to discontinue perpetual adultery. I haven't heard what you are saying from Christ either and neither have you.

You know, when Jesus confronted the woman at the well, which is the New Testament, by the way.. He spoke to the religious pharisees about their having stones in their hands ready to kill this adulterer. According to the law, she was guilty of death. It is interesting that Jesus asked them who of them was without sin. His implication was that any of their sins were able to condemn them as was this sin of this woman. Jesus, in grace, told her to "go and sin no more". She went out to tell others about what she had heard.

May you hear what the Spirit of God is saying, and respond to what He is saying.

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David, there were some questions in the last post I made which I am interested in reading your responses to. You seem to have views of Christian marriage I'd like to understand a bit better than these monologues offer.

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cm said:
Do you realize that every time you say what you say to someone who has already remarried that you are HEAPING condemnation on them????

Then you smugly say: "It is the Word, not me."

What would you have all of us do........... commit suicide to end our horrible sinning? Put on sackcloth and ashes to appease the legalists?

Sorry. No way.

God is using us poor pathetic sinning losers........even if you don't accept it.

I am grateful He is full of GRACE, COMPASSION AND MERCY!
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Christina, you might as well tear out the scriptures that have shown the truth of d/r, and pretend they don't exist. I think the word you're looking for is 'conviciton'- because I have not condemded you. If you take the time to read the scriptures, you'll see that either Jesus, or Paul authored them- not me.

When did grace, compassion, and mercy come to mean that God 'overlooks' (even winks at) transgression? That simply isn't sound biblical doctrine.

Yes, praise God for His mercy, grace, and compassion. When we are convicted by His word, He will show us how to follow on in true repentence, if we really seek to obey Him.

Hebrew 12 tells us to consider HIM. Consider Jesus, who understands suffering, and died a horrible death to give us victory over our own suffering. Not in running from the suffering, but drawing from HIS resources to do things His way.

Christina, the Lord loves you so very much. And has all the answers, and healing for the bitterness of your suffering. We will never be ashamed for having trusted Him- though it costs us.

My love and prayers are with you. :hug:

PS- I read a woman's site who dealt with this situation. If you'd like, you can see what she did: www.poovy.8m.com.
 
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My love and prayers are with you. :hug:

PS- I read a woman's site who dealt with this situation. If you'd like, you can see what she did: www.poovy.8m.com.


Your love and prayers don't mean much to me..... so please don't pray for me. I am very careful of whom I ask to pray for me.

I already spent YEARS in BONDAGE of marriage mnistries like the one you quoted above.

As stated before (over and over again, but you don't seem to get it).........God is MERCIFUL, FULL OF GRACE AND COMPASSION.

You will have to answer to Him for what you and your marriage "ministries" are doing to people. The bible is clear on what Jesus had to say about pharisical law and bondage. My conscience is very clear before the Lord....... and I thank Him for it.
 
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