Divorce and remarriage

[Tull]

I think you are too pessimistic. People also marry for companionship and to have a family.

Works for me

 

[danny ski]

Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

By HIS choice of the word fornication, HE is saying the ONLY option for divorce is during the Deut 24 betrothal period, if HE meant after a marriage, HE would have said "adultery"

So, how does that work? What if your wife decides that she no longer desires sexual activities, like it happens in some marriages? Or, he's no longer in love with her, for whatever reason? Should they stay miserable, together? Or maybe she does not want to have children and he does? People change, all the time; it takes two to tango. What if there's chronic substance abuse by one of the parties? There are plenty of reasons, even religious ones. What if a Catholic wife in a nice Catholic family decides to become a Baptist or a Jehova's Witness? How can they stay married? Where is the justice in that?

 

[Tull]

If you can find scripture that gives divorce as an option in those situations then ok,marriage especially in these times is a woeful proposition with more risk than benefits

 

[gadar perets]

Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

By HIS choice of the word fornication, HE is saying the ONLY option for divorce is during the Deut 24 betrothal period, if HE meant after a marriage, HE would have said "adultery"

The Greek word inappropriate contentea was used because it encompasses all sexual immorality whether it be during the betrothal period or during the marriage.

 

[danny ski]

If you can find scripture that gives divorce as an option in those situations then ok,marriage especially in these times is a woeful proposition with more risk than benefits

My Scriptures are perfectly fine with divorce. I don't understand the Christian obsession with staying married, even in the face of realistic reasons for dissolution.

 

[Tull]

My Scriptures are perfectly fine with divorce. I don't understand the Christian obsession with staying married, even in the face of realistic reasons for dissolution.

LOL,of course your scriptures justify what you want to do......welcome to modern DIY Christianity......ain't it grand.

 

[danny ski]

LOL,of course your scriptures justify what you want to do......welcome to modern DIY Christianity......ain't it grand.

Oh, sorry. I'm not a Christian

 

[Tull]

Ok

 

[gadar perets]

So, how does that work? What if your wife decides that she no longer desires sexual activities, like it happens in some marriages? Or, he's no longer in love with her, for whatever reason? Should they stay miserable, together? Or maybe she does not want to have children and he does? People change, all the time; it takes two to tango. What if there's chronic substance abuse by one of the parties? There are plenty of reasons, even religious ones. What if a Catholic wife in a nice Catholic family decides to become a Baptist or a Jehova's Witness? How can they stay married? Where is the justice in that?

As I understand it, they can either reconcile, separate or possibly even divorce, but they cannot remarry unless one spouse was guilty of sexual immorality and given a bill of divorcement. If either spouse remarries without a lawful divorce, he/she will commit adultery. A possible exception to getting divorced when sexual immorality is not involved is if an unbelieving spouse departs from the believing spouse (one who believes in Messiah Yeshua). In that case, it appears to me that the believer can remarry.

 

[gadar perets]

My Scriptures are perfectly fine with divorce. I don't understand the Christian obsession with staying married, even in the face of realistic reasons for dissolution.

The only grounds mentioned in Torah for giving a bill of divorcement is if nudity/nakedness is involved (matters of sexual immorality):

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness (nudity/nakedness) in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
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It seems to me that Yeshua was agreeing with this verse when he said, "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication (inappropriate contentea - sexual immorality), and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoso marries her which is put away commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9).

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[YESLORDIWILL]

A possible exception to getting divorced when sexual immorality is not involved is if an unbelieving spouse departs from the believing spouse (one who believes in Messiah Yeshua). In that case, it appears to me that the believer can remarry.

1Co 7:12-15 But to the rest speak I (my opinion), not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him...But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

somewhat ambiguous about remarriage...also seems to be an opinion.

 

[danny ski]

The only grounds mentioned in Torah for giving a bill of divorcement is if nudity/nakedness is involved (matters of sexual immorality):

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness (nudity/nakedness) in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
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It seems to me that Yeshua was agreeing with this verse when he said, "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication (inappropriate contentea - sexual immorality), and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoso marries her which is put away commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9).

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No. "ervat davar" translates into "some fault OR indecency". Hence, it was open to a constructionist or broad interpretations.

 

[gadar perets]

1Co 7:12-15 But to the rest speak I (my opinion), not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him...But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

somewhat ambiguous about remarriage...also seems to be an opinion.

By "bondage", I believe Paul meant "no longer bound by the marriage covenant". Yes, it is his opinion, but I value the Apostles opinion.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

By "bondage", I believe Paul meant "no longer bound by the marriage covenant".

do you think his opinion is completely clear?

Yes, it is his opinion, but I value the Apostles opinion.

should it be accepted as gospel?

What does Torah say? What did Jesus say?

 

[visionary]

This thread is not about Paul and his comments on the subject. Please refrain from bringing his or his comments up in the thread. There is enough about Paul, this is about Torah and Yeshua.

 

[visionary]

If a man divorces his wife, did she deserve the title "divorced" and all that goes with it? Through no fault of her own she can get this title, so should the "no remarriage" rule still remain.?.

 

[gadar perets]

If a man divorces his wife, did she deserve the title "divorced" and all that goes with it? Through no fault of her own she can get this title, so should the "no remarriage" rule still remain.?.

If she got divorced "through no fault of her own", then she is still married and the divorce is invalid, in which case she cannot remarry without committing adultery.

 

[Open Heart]

If a man divorces his wife, did she deserve the title "divorced" and all that goes with it? Through no fault of her own she can get this title, so should the "no remarriage" rule still remain.?.

According to Yeshua, yes. But Yeshua makes an exception for inappropriate contenteia, an illicit marriage (where the marriage contract was non-existent because the consummating intercourse was illicit).

 

[visionary]

If she got divorced "through no fault of her own", then she is still married and the divorce is invalid, in which case she cannot remarry without committing adultery.

?? do what....... her x 'hubby" has gone on with his life without the "adultery" tag, and remarried. He believes the divorce is valid... but some how "she' is left holding the guilt bag and its penalty?? really??

 

[gadar perets]

?? do what....... her x 'hubby" has gone on with his life without the "adultery" tag, and remarried. He believes the divorce is valid... but some how "she' is left holding the guilt bag and its penalty?? really??

It is irrelevant what her x thinks. He is guilty in the eyes of YHWH because he divorced his wife without a just cause. If she remarries, he will have caused her to commit adultery. It is an evil put upon her that she must endure, even though she is innocent, so as not to sin against YHWH. However, there is a possible remedy. My wife was about to divorce me without a just cause as well, but in order to avoid both of us committing adultery by remarrying after an unlawful divorce in YHWH's eyes, I gave her a bill of divorcement since I had just cause (adultery on her part). That freed us both to remarry (although I choose to remain single so I can devote myself fully to Yeshua). I don't see why she cannot give him a bill of divorcement since she has just cause (his adultery). She would then be free to remarry.