Divorce and remarriage

[visionary]

What did Messiah say about marrying a divorced woman? Not what Paul said.....but our Messiah.

 

[Tull]

Marriage mistakes are the only mistakes you will never be forgiven for in this life,they will plague you till the day you die

 

[davidbenephraim]

Marriage mistakes are the only mistakes you will never be forgiven for in this life,they will plague you till the day you die

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" Matthew 12:31

I see nothing in Yeshua's words that would even remotely suggest that marriage mistakes are the unpardonable sin. Why don't you try rightly dividing the Word before you start judging and condemning people? My mother had no choice but to divorce my father because he used to get drunk and beat her. So are saying my mother's marriage mistake is unforgivable? Because she married a man who developed a drinking problem after serving in Vietnam and came home with PTSD and used alcohol to self medicate?

David

 

[Tull]

I see nothing in Yeshua's words that would even remotely suggest that marriage mistakes are the unpardonable sin.

I see nothing about divorce because of abuse,your mother should have certainly left this man but divorce for other than unfaithfulness and remarriage is to live in adultery....don't like it take it up with God.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

What did Messiah say about marrying a divorced woman?

whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. (Mat 5:32, Mat 19:9, Mar 10:12, Luk 16:18)

 

[visionary]

whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. (Mat 5:32, Mat 19:9, Mar 10:12, Luk 16:18)

I have often wondered why there is no "whoever married him that is divorced commits adultery"

 

[Open Heart]

I have often wondered why there is no "whoever married him that is divorced commits adultery"

Because Judaism allowed for polygamy. Even to this day. A man can have more than one wife and it is not adultery. It seems so strange to us doesn't it?

 

[Tull]

If people understood marriage completely they would never do it,sex is the only reason most people get married and many times its the reason they divorce,it is said that its not good for man,and I assume woman to be alone yet I would much rather be alone for 100 lifetimes than to endure a miserable marriage.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

I have often wondered why there is no "whoever married him that is divorced commits adultery"

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. (Mar 10:12)

 

[visionary]

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. (Mar 10:12)

It is all on the female but not on the male.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Mar 10:5-Mar 10:9)

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (Mar 10:12, Mar 10:13)

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. (Luk 16:18)

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. (Mat 19:9)

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. (Mat 5:32)

 

[Tull]

I guess any lack of ability to accept abuse is hardness of heart I wonder why the bible speaks against being mastered by anything like alcohol,drugs etc but seems to approve or allow the abuse of people,offering almost no alternatives or escape

 

[davidbenephraim]

I see nothing about divorce because of abuse,your mother should have certainly left this man but divorce for other than unfaithfulness and remarriage is to live in adultery....don't like it take it up with God.

I agree with you to point, but I won't take the position that marriage mistakes are unforgivable sins. Even if divorce and remarriage are a sins (which I don't believe are sins), Yeshua still said that "all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven" except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Marriage mistakes do not rise to the level of blasphemy. Sometimes people make a mistake by marrying for superficial reasons, and then they will divorce for superficial reasons. To say that Yah won't forgive their mistake is the cruelest form of legalism that even the Pharisees would not even engaged.

 

[Tull]

I agree with you to point, but I won't take the position that marriage mistakes are unforgivable sins. Even if divorce and remarriage are a sins (which I don't believe are sins), Yeshua still said that "all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven" except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Marriage mistakes do not rise to the level of blasphemy. Sometimes people make a mistake by marrying for superficial reasons, and then they will divorce for superficial reasons. To say that Yah won't forgive their mistake is the cruelest form of legalism that even the Pharisees would not even engaged.

So one can live in a constant state of unrepentant adultery and go to heaven.....I did not know that.

 

[davidbenephraim]

So one can live in a constant state of unrepentant adultery and go to heaven.....I did not know that.

No, no one can live in a constant state of adultery and go to heaven. But a divorced person who remarries is not living in adultery. The doctrine that you are holding to is based on a text taken out of context and is nothing more than a pretext. I will post a separate thread in which I will delve deeper into this subject. Right now, I am using a computer at my local public library and my allotted time for using this computer has run out. I have no choice to go for now.

Shalom,

David

 

[Tull]

Matt 5:32 is plain....hey I'm not saying that I'm thrilled about it either,but it says what it says and unfaithfulness is the only exception and possibly physical abandonment,now if you realy want to get steamed go talk to the folks who say that even unfaithfulness is not an exception,these people say that under no circumstances is it permissible for a marriage to be dissolved....they're a fun bunch,you'll enjoy them,and I still say that if marriage were approached with something other than hormones most would not do it after careful thought.

 

[Elihoenai]

The Man has Authority over the Woman and it behoves the Woman to shut up in the Churches/Assemblies.


Matthew 5:27-28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

27 `Ye heard that it was said to the ancients: Thou shalt not commit adultery;

28 but I -- I say to you, that every one who is looking on a woman to desire her, did already commit adultery with her in his heart.

 

[visionary]

So one can live in a constant state of unrepentant adultery and go to heaven.....I did not know that.

UNREPENTANT any sin doesn't get to go to heaven.

 

[visionary]

Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

By HIS choice of the word fornication, HE is saying the ONLY option for divorce is during the Deut 24 betrothal period, if HE meant after a marriage, HE would have said "adultery"

 

[Open Heart]

If people understood marriage completely they would never do it,sex is the only reason most people get married and many times its the reason they divorce,it is said that its not good for man,and I assume woman to be alone yet I would much rather be alone for 100 lifetimes than to endure a miserable marriage.

You are right that it's better to be alone than in a bad, miserable marriage. As you can see from my stats, I'm celibate.

I think you are too pessimistic. People also marry for companionship and to have a family.