jgr, I think the term should be God's only "saved" people are those who accept and follow His Son in faith and obedience.
When people start saying "covenant" interchangeably with "saved", that's where the confusion starts.
Faith and obedience are still essential requirements to be a child of God.God will abandon faith and obedience as His ageless covenant requirements, and substitute something else?
Scripture for that?
In particular, New Covenant Scripture for that?
Remember that God, whose ways are not our ways, did choose the Israelite people.
Yes, the Bible plainly tells us that His people are mainly those whom God has carefully tracked thru the generations, Amos 9:8-9, genuine descendants of Jacob, who have accepted the Gospel. They are joined by some other people, aliens in God's sight; all grafted into the Tree that is Jesus, some by their faith only, the majority by their faith and genetics.There has never been a question scripturally of how He identifies His Chosen People.
Salvation is not a covenant to non blood descendants of the 12 tribes, because it was/is a free gift from God and we didn't do anything to deserve the gift.Yes, both salvation and the covenant relationship are dependent upon faith and obedience, Douggg. All of these are inextricable.
Salvation is not a covenant to non blood descendants of the 12 tribes, because it was/is a free gift from God and we didn't do anything to deserve the gift.
Even so, the new covenant is only called new, as a relative term, pertaining only to the blood descendants of the 12 tribes because they had what is now called the old covenant, aforehand.
Salvation is not a covenant but a free gift from God. The disciples were told by Jesus to go out and preach....
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Israel is not totally rejected:
Here we go again! You just don't get it, do you?Correct. The faithful and obedient remnant within Israel is not rejected. (Romans 9:27; 11:1-5).
I've never said differently.
I am saying that salvation is not a covenant. Salvation is a gift. Not a covenant.The twelve tribes have nothing to do with salvation outside of the New Covenant unless you believe the "two peoples of God" "salvation by DNA" heterodoxy.
Jonn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.Explain with Scripture how salvation can be received by anyone outside of the New Covenant.
Praise God; He will Redeem, restore, and reinstate His faithful people.
I am saying that salvation is not a covenant. Salvation is a gift. Not a covenant.
The term new covenant has relevancy only to them who were part of the old covenant. Salvation is not a covenant, but a free gift from God.
And Jesus in those verses was speaking to Jews who the old covenant applied.Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
You do not experience the remission of sins, which accompanies salvation, apart from the new testament/covenant.
"Us" are the Jewish apostles, Paul and Timothy, in 2Corinthians2:1 who were preaching to the Corinthians. Timothy had a Jewish mother, Eunice.Christ linked the two inseparably.
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
"Us", Believers in Christ who have experienced salvation, live under and and are minsters of the new testament/covenant.
Jesus was in the company of Jews at the last supper.1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
According to your claim, you do not need to partake of the Lord's Supper, because you were never part of the old covenant, and therefore since the Lord's Supper is a new covenant observance, it has no relevance to you (nor has it had for any Believer for the last 2,000 years).
Good; so you realize at last that the Redemption, Restoration and Reinstatement into their heritage, are the people whose ancestors God chose to be the Fathers of His people."Praise God; He will Redeem, restore, and reinstate His faithful people."
Now you're talking sense.
More Douggish!The term new covenant has relevancy only to them who were part of the old covenant.
And Jesus in those verses was speaking to Jews who the old covenant applied.
"Us" are the Jewish apostles, Paul and Timothy, in 2Corinthians2:1 who were preaching to the Corinthians. Timothy had a Jewish mother, Eunice.
Taking part in the Lord's supper is done in similitude, in remembrance of Jesus. It is not because of covenant reasons. And it is not mandatory, because then it becomes works based salvation.
Jesus said go not the way of the gentiles at that time..More Douggish!
The new Covenant is for all Christians. The Jews reject it.
But as Jesus came to save the Lost tribes of Israel, then the New covenant is for them; US Christians!
Them in the room with Jesus were Jews. Jesus is God. In Jeremiah 31, the new covenant is to be with the hourse of Israel and the house of Judah. At the time Jesus made the new covenant Israel and Judah had not be reunited into one kingdom. Regardless, God is not speaking about gentiles.Jesus was speaking to all who would believe on His name for all time, both Jew and Gentile.
My point that you and most fail to see, is that we Christians ARE the House of Israel and are currently regarded by the Jews; as Gentiles.Jesus said go not the way of the gentiles at that time..
There were no Christians at the time Jesus said go not the way of the gentiles. Christians are not the house of Israel. I have proved that over and over with Ezekiel 39:21-29.My point that you and most fail to see, is that we Christians ARE the House of Israel and are currently regarded by the Jews; as Gentiles.
My comments are not biased toward anyone. I am stating the reality of the text.Your comment above shows your bias toward the Jews, so they remain on earth, while you think you will be in heaven. Not going to happen!
Who did the Apostles evangelize? Gentiles! WE accepted the Gospel and we are the true Israel of God.
But the House of Israel is Christians!Christians are not the house of Israel. I have proved that over and over with Ezekiel 39:21-29.
WE Christians ARE the 'sheep' of Jesus. John 10:1-27, Matthew 15:24 And He will gather us to the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Micah 7:14Jeremiah 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Jeremiah 31 is not talking about the church.
You will have to answer to the Lord for promoting and teaching false theories. Particularly for designating those who reject the 'rapture' to Tribulation or worse.Rapture to heaven soon to take place. For them who believe it. Others, not so.
1 Peter 1
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
You is the dispersion in its entirety, which as has been shown unquestionably included Gentiles.
Whether the prophets were or were not aware, the grace of which they prophesied was declared by Peter to "come unto you", Jew and Gentile alike, without distinction.
And Hosea (Romans 9:24-26) was a prophet who did not "know nothing".
Your allegations are false.
Your terminal case of Biological Supersessionitis is clouding your thinking.
You've avoided the prophet Hosea in Romans 9:24-26.
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