Disobedience has consequences.

[Colter]

That is not quite what you said before. Oral traditions may last a few hundred years, but not tens of thousands. That is expecting rather too much of our ancestors, I am afraid.

I don't have a problem with stories being passed on for generations, through interruptions of war and genocide, cultural proliferation etc. We are on a forum where we are discussing at least 6,000 years of historicity right? And the Hebrew alphabet only dates to about 1,000 BC.

There is a much bigger story inside the fragmented story of A & E.

 

[Catherineanne]

If you believe God created man, then sorry, the responsibility is ultimately his.

When Ford motor company manufactured cars that tended to blow up when rear ended, was it the drivers fault, or the people who manufactured the cars?

Nope. Mankind was created with free will; the responsiblity is absolutely ours, as long as we have the means to feed the whole world, but choose not to do so.

That is not God's fault. It is ours.

 

[bhsmte]

Nope. Mankind was created with free will; the responsiblity is absolutely ours, as long as we have the means to feed the whole world, but choose not to do so.

That is not God's fault. It is ours.

Did God know what this free will would deliver in man, or was he unaware of the same?

 

[Catherineanne]

I don't have a problem with stories being passed on for generations, through interruptions of war and genocide, cultural proliferation etc. We are on a forum where we are discussing at least 6,000 years of historicity right? And the Hebrew alphabet only dates to about 1,000 BC.

There is a much bigger story inside the fragmented story of A & E.

Generations, certainly. Tens of thousands of years, not so much.

I can write a story about life ten thousand years ago. That does not make the story ten thousand years old, nor even historicity, whatever that may be.

 

[Catherineanne]

Did God know what this free will would deliver in man, or was he unaware of the same?

I am afraid you will have to ask the Deity that one.

 

[Catherineanne]

Actually, being in healthcare for over 20 years and having an advanced degree in this area, man has done quite well in dealing with disease and extending human life and improving the quality of life even with disease.

Some have done marvels. Sadly too many others have done the exact opposite. There is a lot of money to be made from armaments; all those wars are not there by accident.

 

[Catherineanne]

Evidence for his intervention?

Prayer.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Prayer.

In what way is prayer evidence of his intervention?

 

[bhsmte]

Some have done marvels. Sadly too many others have done the exact opposite. There is a lot of money to be made from armaments; all those wars are not there by accident.

I was speaking about disease and medical science, not armaments.

 

[bhsmte]

I am afraid you will have to ask the Deity that one.

I don't believe a deity exists. Since you do, did the deity you believe in know what he was creating, or was he not sure what the outcome would be?

 

[bhsmte]

Prayer.

You remember the 9 million children I mentioned who die each year before the age of five? Do you think their parents and loved ones prayed for these children?

 

[Catherineanne]

I don't believe a deity exists. Since you do, did the deity you believe in know what he was creating, or was he not sure what the outcome would be?

I don't know because I am not God and I don't presume to understand how he thinks. But thanks for asking.

 

[Catherineanne]

You remember the 9 million children I mentioned who die each year before the age of five? Do you think their parents and loved ones prayed for these children?

The number was 7.6 million children in total.

And I have no idea; I assume so, unless they were humanists.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't know because I am not God and I don't presume to understand how he thinks. But thanks for asking.

If this is the case, how would you then know the God you believe in created man with free will?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The number was 7.6 million children in total.

And I have no idea; I assume so, unless they were humanists.

How come their prayer didn't warrant an intervention? Didn't they pray hard enough?

 

[Catherineanne]

I was speaking about disease and medical science, not armaments.

Yes, and I was contrasting the saints in medicine with the sinners in armaments. Sadly we have both.

 

[Catherineanne]

How come their prayer didn't warrant an intervention? Didn't they pray hard enough?

You are assuming that the intervention did not happen. I would assume it did.

Effective prayer is not about doing something hard enough. It is about being in the right place.

 

[bhsmte]

The number was 7.6 million children in total.

And I have no idea; I assume so, unless they were humanists.

I have seen data showing the number to be 9 million, you have it at 7.6, still quite a big number.

Unless they are humanists? Do you think all the millions of children who dies young (many of which too young to form a belief in God), where all non believers or their family was non believers? This would mean, you are insinuating it may be punishment from God for not believing in him, would this be correct?

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, and I was contrasting the saints in medicine with the sinners in armaments. Sadly we have both.

If you have a way to assure all armaments world wide are done away with, let us know.

If the US and our allies did not have armaments during WW2, I have a feeling the world today would be a different place.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You are assuming that the intervention did not happen. I would assume it did.

On what basis? Where is the evidence of an intervention?