Disobedience has consequences.

[Blue Wren]

That goes for anywhere. Norway is not special.

YIPeS...Norway didn't even make the list!

I didn't say that it was. You wrote, "You'd be surprised at who lives outside your front door" and then posted statistics, out of context, to make it appear that Norway has a far huger population of Christians than it actually does. You even went and bolded the word Christian. It seemed that you were trying to refute Skavau's point, when it was correct.

 

[Davian]

...
The fire & brimstone message, it's the fastest way, to get a Scandinavian, to think you're mad in the head, and not listen to a word you say about Jesus.

That goes for anywhere.

Even here.

 

[hiphopopotomus]

What of a God who ensures that any animal being so devoured is flooded with endorphins, which means that it is effectively anaesthetised from the pain? How can that be explained irt evolution? There is no advantage to 'nature red in tooth and claw' in a kind death.

That is a God not to be feared.

Meanwhile, the fall of mankind had an impact on the animal kingdom as well, and that is what we see in nature. God's ultimate purpose is for the lion to lie down with the lamb.

You really believe that endorphin stuff?
So people who survive torture say it didn't hurt at all?
As a farmer I have seen terrible suffering in animals as a result of natural causes.Like sheep being eaten alive by maggots,crows pecking the eyes out of sick animals etc etc.The crow even comes with a barbed tongue for just this purpose.
These things are not the product of a benevolent or loving God but a sadistic one.

 

[Colter]

Do you believe that there was more righteous people than just him and his family in that time? Can you please show me why you believe this?

Just common sense, unborn babies for example.......but frankly the story is so obsurd we can't even have a serious discussion about it.

 

[LostMarbels]

How did you obtain this knowledge?

Osmosis

 

[LostMarbels]

Are we not in a philosophy forum?

philosophy: the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline

semantics:
an interpretation of the meaning,of a word, sign, sentence, etc.:

See the difference? Hell is hell. It doesn't matter if it is a pit, outer darkness, Sheol, Hades, or what have you. You go there if you do not accept Christ. How you interpret the word hell doesn't mean anything considering you still go there.

 

[LostMarbels]

If what form was this warning made? Did you believe me when I warned you that your home was on fire?

Belief is not a choice. I am not convinced this offer has any validity.

Have you ever heard about that place called hell? How old are you? So for how many years have you known? That is being forewarned.

You honestly expect me to accept that you cannot chose to refute something before even considered?

 

[LostMarbels]

Please substantiate that opinion.

God has give all of us free will and the ability to chose our own path.

 

[LostMarbels]

Unless there is no "next life". Nothing then to be concerned about.

Skywriting Accident

• Davian
• May 23, 2015

"Unless" denotes insecurity of your position. Are you sure of your belief system? Provide prof.

 

[LostMarbels]

Indeed. It is seriously lacking in evidentiary support.

I guess that about wraps it up for God.

You are uneducated on the matter, and refute any notion of there even being an answer you will accept. Further more you have no intention of looking for an answer. There is plenty of evidence. You just wont accept it.

 

[hiphopopotomus]

Those who do not Trust in the Father will not be granted an audience
with the Father in the next life. The result is misery alone in Hell.



The warning ends at the first death, the resultant time spent in "hell" is virtually eternal,
the second death ends hell itself.
http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-14.htm

That is not what Jesus said in The Sermon on the Mount-
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...sg=AFQjCNFra6chK8nzUiMymMVRj6eFjwoKhA&cad=rja

 

[Davian]

philosophy: the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline
semantics:
an interpretation of the meaning,of a word, sign, sentence, etc.:

See the difference?

I see the overlap.

Hell is hell. It doesn't matter if it is a pit, outer darkness, Sheol, Hades, or what have you.

I have been to Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Grand_Cayman

You go there if you do not accept Christ.

I cannot "accept" that which I perceive as only a character in a book. Belief is not a conscious choice.

How you interpret the word hell doesn't mean anything considering you still go there.

Why would I go there, and how, if it is only a place in a story?

 

[Davian]

Have you ever heard about that place called hell?

Indeed. I understand it to be the "stick" in the carrot-and-stick concept of reward and punishment in generic religious terms.

How old are you?

50. Not too old, for a tree.

So for how many years have you known?

Dunno. I was pretty much an apatheist till I was forty. Religion was some sort of hobby, as far as I cared. I had no idea anyone took it so seriously until joined this site.

That is being forewarned.

And I warned you of the flames now engulfing your home. Did you take me seriously?

You honestly expect me to accept that you cannot chose to refute something before even considered?

I do not "refute" it, I just have never considered that there is any significant connection between religion and reality.

 

[Davian]

God has give all of us free will and the ability to chose our own path.

Unevidenced assertion. Got anything else?

 

[Davian]

"Unless" denotes insecurity of your position.

Do not mistake my practice of not making absolute statements for lack of confidence.

Are you sure of your belief system? Provide prof.

I do not make the claim that gods or the supernatural do not exist, but, earlier in this thread I asked for you to define what you meant by "God". You provided nothing.

I asked for robust, independently verifiable evidence in the form of a testable hypothesis. You provided nothing.

Asked for a "test", and you present an exercise in self-deception.

Do you need more proof than that that you have nothing?

 

[Davian]

You are uneducated on the matter,

Can you read minds? Have you any idea how many hours I have invested in the topics of religion and science?

and refute any notion of there even being an answer you will accept.

Well, the answers to date have consisted of unevidenced assertions and religious rhetoric. Do you have anything else?

Further more you have no intention of looking for an answer.

Can you read minds?

There is plenty of evidence. You just wont accept it.

What is this "evidence" that you allude to?

 

[Skavau]

You'd be surprised at who lives outside your front door.

1. Religion in Norway is mostly Evangelical Lutheran, with 76.1% of the population officially belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway in 2013. The Roman Catholic Church is the next largest Christian denomination at 2.4% and a total of 82% belong to Christian denominations.

Those who reject God are tormented by their decision.
And Hell is destroyed at the second death.
http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-14.htm

That's nominal affiliation. Other surveys have indicated that Non-Religious individuals may make up 50%+ of Scandinavia.

 

[Skavau]

Those who do not Trust in the Father will not be granted an audience
with the Father in the next life. The result is misery alone in Hell.

An Atheist does not not trust a God, they don't believe in a God(s). There's a difference.

 

[Skavau]

"free expression"

Your a proponent of free will? Never would have guessed. Most atheist believe no one has a choice to do anything.

Who told you that?

But yes, I am a proponent of free will and free expression. Are you?

 

[Skavau]

What do you think makes it bad for someone to do this?

An infringement on one's civil liberties is obviously wrong. No-one would like to be oppressed, even dictators would not like their actions used on or against them. No-one restricts what they like to do. Supporting free association, expression and thought results in a freer society which is to the benefit of all of us.