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This is cause for concern, Catherine. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2:15-16&version=NIV
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This is cause for concern, Catherine. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2:15-16&version=NIVI don't know because I am not God and I don't presume to understand how he thinks. But thanks for asking.
I don't believe that Jesus exists. Your advice to me is like a Muslim telling you to try and talk to Allah.
I am sure He knew. I am sure He knew that He would produce a Noah and more like him.
Does God's power and ability to act, depend on our prayers? Is He powerless without them? Can you please explain why you think our prayers can impact His action in any way?No, the right place spiritually. To communicate with God we have to be where God is. If we put ourselves in a place where he is not, or where we deliberately exclude him, then our prayers are a bit of a waste of time.
God does not want children to die. They do die, nonetheless. I have no idea what the answer to this is; I can only hope that there is a good one.
I think there is some kind of tacit assumption that because people believe in God they therefore think death, disease and suffering is a good thing. It is not a good thing. Another assumption is that God must like it. God does not like it. But he gives us free will; mankind as a whole could make a choice to eliminate hunger. It does not do so.
Humanists don't get off the hook on this one either; why do we not end hunger and suffering? You tell me.
You don't like that eh? Would you like to explain what else you think makes this man Noah not worth having a human life in a paradise?
Can you please describe what you have in mind?God also has free will. He could make a choice to eliminate it, but he does not.
Doesn't require omnipotence, requires only ability and willingness.You mean why don't we end it this very second, with a snap of our fingers? Because we are not omnipotent.
Thanks. What will you say to the other question I asked you:No, I have problems reconciling Genesis with virtually all of mainstream science, right down to the laws of thermodynamics. I am told by religionists that God/souls/Heaven/etc are all magically free of entropy because... well, after that they sort of fall apart and start preaching.
I do not know of a better explanation.How do you know this?
Ok, thanks. Can I make an adjustment then and see what your answer will be:Parsimony. In the absence of evidence for gods, and in the light of how the brain can trick itself, the latter explanation stands, your credulousness notwithstanding.
Probably. But I am making these arguments here today, and it is giving you the opportunity to say what you want to say. Together we are establishing, refining and stating (ie studying) the fundamental nature of knowledge. Reality and existence, well let's see whether we get an opportnity to discuss that. I am engaged in that with GrimKingGrim, so that is interesting for me too."Convincing sense" and "common sense" are not science, or philosophy. As this forum Statement of Purpose states, we are here to the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence. Perhaps your arguments would be better suited for the Exploring Christianity forum.
Can you please confirm that this is in fact true, rather than just that you would need to entertain that your fundamental assumption about the state of the starting point might be wrong?To consider your Adam and Eve story to be possibly true, I would have to entertain that virtually all of mainstream science and knowledge is wrong. You may be able to do that. If you are asking me to take that seriously, I cannot take you seriously.
You made a conclusion without obtaining information first, and you turned out to be in error. That is foolhardy.Why?
This was an example of someone being foolhardy, doing the exact same thing. I know two statements in scripture that say without any room to argue, that Jesus Christ's life was demanded and paid to humans. This guy was foolhardy to proclaim that there was no scriptural basis for it without even asking first.Until gods are shown to be more than characters in books, the passage has no significance to me.
.. Just because you seem to have missed it:What is it that God demands of people who want to be saved?
Can you please explain what you mean to describe by the term "hellfire", and please provide scriptural support. Do you mean everlasting torment, or do you mean everlasting destruction? They are very different things.All of this for what? Why wont you just come out and say you will not serve a god unless he is perfect as you view perfection? I would guess this "god" has to ask your permission to act? Maybe be controlled by your opinions, and ideals? Go out back and carve one from wood or stone. That is what allot of peeps do.But where is this god's power? Who is this god that a mere mortal can make him bow, or even fashion his likeness? This is not a god, this is a puppet of our own desire, and a justification of our own beliefs.
I think the thing is, I do not hold to any religion. I confess Jesus Christ as the one true God, and I ask for my understanding as commanded to in the bible. If any, any, of my belief systems oppose the word of God, it must immediately be shot in the head like a zombie, and left to rot so it doesn't bite someone else. I wouldn't even consider to judge God, and expect him to conform to my own belief systems.
Jesus is a stumbling block, and the word of God can not be understood by the carnally minded. Which means they stub a lot of toes. Also, Christianity is hard. It's not all fluff like many assume. And it's not fear either. To love and worship a living God takes a relationship with that God. That takes effort, and the willful diligence of those who seek said relationship. I do not see where there is room to draw lines with God in what will and will not be accepted as His truth, by us, His creation. We need to ask the only one who knows the answers.
You refer to the painful childbirth and the thorns and thistles that make us labour for food? Why do you think this was not just a change in attitude?Not cursing and blaming an entire species for the actions of two representatives of it would be fine.
Can you please show me why you believe that this is what He intends to do? I have not seen proof of this intention yet. Thanks.Just not threatening us with hell for dying in a state of non-belief would be more ethical.
That was this bit that I showed you before, maybe you didn't see it:I assumed that God would like us to behave in a way that helps the world. Not bog us down in pointless ritual and demanding reverence and respect for being God.
To worship Him means to look to Him for guidance, authority etc. To take that bit away means we look to ourselves or to others for guidance and authority. But He is in a much better osition to do that whereas humans are limited in their perception/understanding/information/knowledge and we have self-serving motives to suit our own desires. I think the Sabbath day was intended to enable us to enjoy life, having a chance to relax, be sociable, smell roses etc instead of just labouring to gather as much wealth as we can. Because work should be to support the lifestyle rather than to replace it. This way, He is commanding everyone to respect lifestyle.Why does God care if we worship him or hold a particular day as holy?
Do you believe that there was more righteous people than just him and his family in that time? Can you please show me why you believe this?That's not the context, it was the authors assertion that he was the only righteous man in all the world who was worth keeping. It follows with the "chosen people" arrogance of the rest of the dubious stories.
I don't understand the question. A change of attitude on behalf of who? Who has changed their attitude in this context?You refer to the painful childbirth and the thorns and thistles that make us labour for food? Why do you think this was not just a change in attitude?
Do you believe that we are cursed due to original sin?What is this "blame" that you have described? I don't recognise that doctrine.
Are you a universalist? My point only applies to those who believe in a hell for Non-Christians.Can you please show me why you believe that this is what He intends to do? I have not seen proof of this intention yet. Thanks.
So you are conflating worship with look up to or seek advice?To worship Him means to look to Him for guidance, authority etc. To take that bit away means we look to ourselves or to others for guidance and authority. But He is in a much better osition to do that whereas humans are limited in their perception/understanding/information/knowledge and we have self-serving motives to suit our own desires.
Sure, but what if one wants to have a different day to enjoy life. Why particular reverance for a specific day?I think the Sabbath day was intended to enable us to enjoy life, having a chance to relax, be sociable, smell roses etc instead of just labouring to gather as much wealth as we can. Because work should be to support the lifestyle rather than to replace it. This way, He is commanding everyone to respect lifestyle.
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