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I am not being unkind.....I just agree with what he said about people getting their toes stepped on occasionally when the truth is spoken to them.
Well I took his reply as "in general" not as to a specific person......I understand, but it seems like ganging up on this particular sister. I wish to not argue. Plus I know Oscarr likes us to stay on topic too ;-)
There is a difference between kicking the ball and kicking the player. Kicking other players instead of the ball gets a red card and sent to the sin bin (this is not directed at you by the way).You have definitely hit the nail on the head here.....good insight.
Agreed....but I don't believe this person was kicking the player just pointing out how people misconstrue things.There is a difference between kicking the ball and kicking the player. Kicking other players instead of the ball gets a red card and sent to the sin bin (this is not directed at you by the way).
You are correct, I do find this approach interesting...... you following some scriptures (Everything by prayer and supplication make your requests known to God) While seemingly refusing to follow others (What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.)Here is an example of something you might warm to. The community organisation I work for as my retirement income is having a funding crisis at the moment. In the early hours of this morning, when I couldn't sleep I was praying about some issues and I started to discuss the funding issue with the Lord. It felt right to me to ask God directly for $150,000 to get us over the funding crisis. So I went through the three steps of faith that I use to do that. I discussed about whether it was His will or not, because if I expect anything from the Lord I have to know that I am asking for something in His will. I told Him that I believed that it was His will to help us because our organisation is assisting families in poverty and if we had to close down, at least 300 families would suffer immensely. We run a total money management budgeting service for these people to get them out of extreme debt, stop evictions, and repossessions, and court action against them. So I felt that asking for the funds was in harmony with God's Word, and therefore was confident that it was His will to ask for the money.
Then I took the next step was to ask directly for the money, so I prayed, "Lord we need $150,000 to get us over our funding crisis and now I ask you specifically for it." The Scripture says, "If you ask anything in My will you will receive it." and, "You have not because you ask not" and "Everything by prayer and supplication make your requests known to God". So, I knew that I was doing the right thing by asking for it.
Then I took the next step, going on the Scripture, "Who who asks, receives." So, I said to the Lord, "I now receive that $150,000 from you. Then I said to the Lord, "Well, I have taken the three steps of faith in obedience to Your Word, and I leave the outcome to you."
I did not "command" the Lord, and I did not assume that I have already received it, "by faith". That would be presumption because I have not actually received the money in my hand yet. The receiving I did was an act of faith and obedience between the Lord and me, and not a presumption that He is a vending machine who will automatically say, "Here you are." This is because I don't know every aspect of God's will for our organisation.
The interesting part is that on my way home from the gym today, I thought about the prayer that I had prayed the previous night, and the thought came - "Should I praise God in advance for the money?" which is basic Word of Faith doctrine. But I decided not to and told the Lord that to do that would be presumption and not faith on my part. I had already taken the steps of faith and it was now up to Him to decide or decide not to advance the money. I would rather praise God when or if He provided the money through whatever means He decides. It is more appropriate to praise God after the event than to try and use praise to "prod" God into doing what we want.
You might find that approach interesting. Maybe some WOF folks might accuse me of unbelief because I will not assume that the money will definitely be provided just because I ask for it. The Lord has the sovereign right to say, "Yes", "No", or "Wait".
Sometimes we have to lay down the axe as well......Change or die! Jonah said. Some people remain deceived because they have "friends" that only encourages and tell them nice things....Let us be kind and gentle with the fellow sisters and brothers in Christ. We all mean well. Our fellow brethren are not our enemies. ♥
A lot of what you say doesnt add up. But it is ok to believe that everyone who says this is trying to hurt you in some way or is of the devil......or need to study more......or is deceived..... or need your prayers......the list goes on and on.
Your first paragraph is correct, but some take it to extreme and use it to believe for more money, bigger houses, and flasher cars. But the verse has to be placed in harmony with "This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. New Living Translation And we are confident that he hears us whenever we ask for anything that pleases him" (1 John 5:14).You are correct, I do find this approach interesting...... you following some scriptures (Everything by prayer and supplication make your requests known to God) While seemingly refusing to follow others (What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.)
But I like it.
I am, however, confused as to how this gives an example of a prophesy that leads one away from the lord. ARe you saying that if anyone told you you were wrong, they would be that example?
Satan can influence even believers, I believe. Just look at us all getting on a boat and attacking our poor sister in Christ. Even I did today, I think.
Okay so I may not agree with everything she says in "just the way" she sometimes says it, but I really needed someone to turn to, and after I haven't *always* been the nicest person to her, even then she was still here for me. That says a lot about whether someone is a Bible-believing Christian.
We are speaking in general now, not any specific person. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. I see no poor sisters, nor sisters getting attacked.Satan can influence even believers, I believe. Just look at us all getting on a boat and attacking our poor sister in Christ. Even I did today, I think.
Okay so I may not agree with everything she says in "just the way" she sometimes says it, but I really needed someone to turn to, and after I haven't *always* been the nicest person to her, even then she was still here for me. That says a lot about whether someone is a Bible-believing Christian.
But you are not because you know jolly well that I am not a prophet, so any comment like that would not be serious, and would not be believed anyway. If you did, I would think you are just stirring the pot to get a reaction out of me!Interesting. So If I were to tell you or these other posters that I believe you are a prophet of God and that you are showing the way to salvation.....you feel that this statement would be glorifying you and not God? You feel that I should not make this assertion or i may be possesses with an evil spirit?
You are inserting negativity where it isnt there. I saw no mean words. I think you should just leave it alone and get back to the op. It seems you are trying to stir up something.Yea he laughs when he can get us believers to fight. We do his will, let us not do that and love as Christ loves us! I understand rebuke, but rebukes do not turn into ugly mean words and harassment.
You are inserting negativity where it isnt there. I saw no mean words. I think you should just leave it alone and get back to the op. It seems you are trying to stir up something.
As I said before, the statement about Saul's death came from an impersonating demon and not from the real Samuel. and was to illustrate a point that demons can speak very accurately about a person's past, as psychics can do, but they are usually vague and inaccurate when predicting the future.I think I understand what you are saying.....about the previous thread.....you feel the whole prophesy was false because a portion of it was......but it is possible now...for a true prophet to give a prophesy now that is not 100% accurate.
For what i quoted above do you have a short example of a prophesy that a "christian" false prophet can give that would lead one away from Christ? So we can better recognize one. I say "Christian" to rule out outrageous things like...winning lotto, or starting yoga classes etc..
As I said before, the statement about Saul's death came from an impersonating demon and not from the real Samuel. and was to illustrate a point that demons can speak very accurately about a person's past, as psychics can do, but they are usually vague and inaccurate when predicting the future.
I don't mind if we get off topic. Singing the same old song gets boring after a while, and changing the tune breathes new life into the thread. The most interesting and fun men's Bible studies I have been involved with are those where the discussions go right off topic and deal with all sorts of the related issues. Sometimes the hour and a half goes by and we never finish the topic we started with, but we had a great time and learned a lot.I am not trying to stir anything up, not my intention, I was making a statement. Everyone else got off topic pages ago. Everyone should leave well alone now, agreed.
I want to say that people need a thick skin to post and debate on these forums. If you are going to give it, you need to take it as well. I have fun debating with those who disagree with me, and some comments can get pretty personal. I have been accusing of being the "professor" on the forum because I happen to have a College degree, and have had my theology taken to the cleaners, implying that I am deceived, etc, etc, but what of it? I just come back at them with more information for them to chew over. I never try to vindicate myself, because once I try to do that it weakens my position. I have conceded defeat only once to Simon Templer when he, after several weeks, proved that I was wrong and he was right. But I did take exception to be told I was of the devil because that is against the flaming rule and I took appropriate reporting action. I was also accused of being a drunk needing to go to AA meetings. I found that also offensive and reported the post. But there are cessationists with whom I have had some serious debates with, and I would never report them because they are the ones that bring the threads alive for me. Life would be boring if we all agreed with each other.
If some are thin-skinned and take offense at any post that has a "you" statement in it, they would be better to sticking with the fellowship threads where there is no debating and everyone is kind, gentle and supportive of each other. But in a debating forum, people don't have to be kind, lovey-dovey, and gentle and we have to put on the armour, take up the sword and be ready to do battle.
Being a "seer" doesn't necessarily violate the true ministry of the Holy Spirit if the function draws people closer to Christ. It is usually a combination of the gifts of Prophecy, Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom and Discerning of Spirits.Just had a thought...
Do we really need a personal "seers" if we now have The Holy Spirit to guide us? We have God dwelling in us what is better than that!?
Before in times past the Holy Spirit seemed to not dwell permanently in us until Acts. (I understand future events that the 2 witnesses etc will be around to guide but that is a specific purpose and time in the future)
I remember when my mom would tell me stories about going to church and this particular person would always come to her saying God told me to tell you, her response? " I have a relationship with Jesus, and if He needs to tell me something He will." That always stuck with me.
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