Discussion on the topic of evolution - Who believes what?

Everybodyknows · Oct 28, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
They probably did not, and why would that matter? Your logic is lacking again.

Have you been living under a rock? Surely you don't come to the creationist forum looking for logic.

Motherofkittens · Oct 28, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
I'm trying to find some statistics on the proportion of Christians who accept evolution, but not having much luck. The best I can find is this Wikipedia article:

Acceptance of evolution by religious groups

It lists these denominations as holding the view of theistic evolution:
Catholic Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Episcopal Church USA, and some other mainline Protestant denominations

Religious Differences on the Question of Evolution (United States, 2007)
Percentage who agree that evolution is the best explanation for the origin of human life on earth
Source: Pew Forum [12]
Buddhist 81%
Hindu 80%
Jewish 77%
Unaffiliated 72%
Catholic 58%
Orthodox 54%
Mainline Protestant 51%
Muslim 45%
Hist. Black Protest. 38%
Evang. Protestant 24%
Mormon 22%
Jehovah's Witnesses 8%
Total U.S. population 48%

Anyone got any better statistics, perhaps for Christianity worldwide. And also I'm pretty sure there are more denominations than the ones listed who officially accept evolution such as Anglican and Orthodox.

What I've had to do was get a bunch of different stats and add them together. I don't think there is one with all the info. But a lot of countries that are the majority Christian (with or without separation of church and state) have evolution as mandatory in public schools. Then you can go to different denominations and see what their stance is regarding evolution and what their members think. There are over 41,000 denominations. The Catholic church has half the world's Christians belonging to it and they accept evolution. Then you have to go country by country. But even in the U.S. more Catholics accept evolution than not.

Subduction Zone · Oct 28, 2017

YouAreAwesome said:
Hmmm, I'm happy to shout you some $ if you need some chill pills...

Oh my, another Christian that is deep in denial.

Subduction Zone · Oct 28, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
Have you been living under a rock? Surely you don't come to the creationist forum looking for logic.

Believe it or not, not all Christians deny logic and reality.

Everybodyknows · Oct 28, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Believe it or not, not all Christians deny logic and reality.

I know. I imagine myself to be one of those. Although others don't always think my logic is logical.

Subduction Zone · Oct 29, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
It would be interesting to compare other countries as in my experience American Christians seem to be more skewed toward creationism than here in Australia

Well this article does not go so far as to break it down as to percentage of Christians, but I would assume that some of the European countries are still majority Christians:

Evolution Less Accepted in U.S. Than Other Western Countries, Study Finds

Iceland for example appears to be at least 80% Christian:

Iceland Religions - Demographics

Everybodyknows · Oct 29, 2017

Motherofkittens said:
What I've had to do was get a bunch of different stats and add them together. I don't think there is one with all the info. But a lot of countries that are the majority Christian (with or without separation of church and state) have evolution as mandatory in public schools. Then you can go to different denominations and see what their stance is regarding evolution and what their members think. There are over 41,000 denominations. The Catholic church has half the world's Christians belonging to it and they accept evolution. Then you have to go country by country. But even in the U.S. more Catholics accept evolution than not.

Cool. Do you have any results you could share?

YouAreAwesome · Oct 29, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Oh my, another Christian that is deep in denial.

No I'm not

Subduction Zone · Oct 29, 2017

YouAreAwesome said:
No I'm not

You appeared to be, but perhaps I jumped to a rash conclusion.

YouAreAwesome · Oct 29, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
You appeared to be, but perhaps I jumped to a rash conclusion.

I don't have a rash.

(Sometimes it's difficult to write things in a way that shows I'm not being serious, but these are those writings... just incase it is missed... though I am serious that I don't have a rash... at the moment anyway... I used to... okay I'll stop now...).

Obliquinaut · Oct 29, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
Oh so he really did believe in God!

That is still a question that is debated. The reason I brought it up is that AV somehow drew a connection between Mein Kampf and Evolution.

It is silly to draw that connection and want to be taken seriously.

Hitler seems to have used a standard strain of antisemitism that Europe has struggled with since Medieval times. It is easier to tap into that through a shared religious drive and no doubt in spite of the faith.

But the same could be said for those who want to call Evolution a stepping stone to eugenics or some other horror. It isn't really part and parcel.

Which is why I brought up the counterpoint to AV[/QUOTE]

Obliquinaut · Oct 29, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Do you think Hitler would have made chancellor, or Kaiser, or whatever it was he was running for if he had introduced himself as an atheist?

When in Rome ...

I merely tried to point out the dangers of drawing specious relationships between topics which is what you were doing tying Origin of Species to Mein Kampf. It fails for the same reason.

If you think Origin of Species leads to Mein Kampf or is somehow made more complete by that then you must accept that Christianity leads to Hitler.

Of course that is absurd on the face of it! Christianity doesn't lead to Hitler, that is manifestly offensive.

So is linking Mein Kampf to Origin of Species.

This is Luke 6:31 in action my friend.

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
So is linking Mein Kampf to Origin of Species.

And who did I say prompted the sequel?

Did I not say it was the Devil?

Our enemy.

So it should be offensive, shouldn't it?

Obliquinaut · Oct 29, 2017

AV1611VET said:
And who did I say prompted the sequel?

Did I not say it was the Devil?

Our enemy.

So it should be offensive, shouldn't it?

Yet somehow it IS still offensive. Because everything you guys disagree with or feel threatened by, you can simply say the DEVIL caused it.

That means Darwin and all the thousands upon thousands of researchers in the ensuing 2 centuries were unwitting dupes of the devil.

I understand you think the devil is real. That's part of your belief system. But could it just be that when someone says something you disagree with that perhaps, just perhaps, it isn't because the Lord of the Flies has infested their brain and taken them over to do ultimate battle with God almighty?

Could you just, for a change, simply disagree with the science you don't understand?

Like I said I try not to attribute some grand overarching evil to Creationists. I think they honestly believe what the say they believe and they arrive at their beliefs because their beliefs are more important than any assessment of the data. It actually MAKES SENSE why a Creationist believes as they do. If I thought my immortal soul was under threat by some science I would probably AVOID learning anything about that science and I'd cling tenaciously to whomever told me what I wanted to hear.

(This is not to say that I don't believe there are some creationist organizations who actively manipulate data and present lies and falsehoods, but I suspect they are few and far between. The majority of probably just don't do science well, like Steve Austin and his dating of the Mt. St. Helens dacite).

When you open the door the idea that some of your FELLOW HUMANS are overtaken by the devil and their work is part and parcel of Hitler's plans, well then you should accept that that can have VERY BAD outcomes. Perhaps not something you would like to see happen. But faith can be, and often is, leveraged to do really horrible things to other people here in the physical realm.

Does this in any way make sense to you?

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
Does this in any way make sense to you?

Yes, but I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are.

Distances Travelled · Oct 29, 2017

I want to say both thank you and I'm sorry. I'm really grateful for the replies I have received. It seems that the opinion that evolution is fiction/invented is held by at least some, but not by any means all. It is my mother's belief and I feel reassured that it is exactly that as opposed to some kind of issue with her mind. As long as that's what it is, it doesn't matter to me if our opinions are opposite, I can respect her beliefs.
At the same time, I seem to have opened up a horrible can of worms and I'm really sorry if I've caused any trouble by asking the question. Thank you all again for all the information and opinions you've provided.

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2017

Distances Travelled said:
Thank you all again for all the information and opinions you've provided.

You're not leaving, are you?

Aman777 · Oct 29, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Some call him "Yahweh".

In order to get "Yahweh" you MUST add to what Scripture states as YHWH, the unique name for Jesus, in the O.T.

Everybodyknows · Oct 29, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
It is silly to draw that connection and want to be taken seriously.

I think @AV1611VET is immune to being taken seriously.

Subduction Zone · Oct 29, 2017

Aman777 said:
In order to get "Yahweh" you MUST add to what Scripture states as YHWH, the unique name for Jesus, in the O.T.

Nope, try again.

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