Discussion on Islam

[Fares]

Did you go to school ?
America saved Islam from Hitler .
After Hitler would have finnished with the jews and slaves, you were next on his list .
Who saved the muslims in yougoslavia ? Atheist, christians, infideles, Nato .
Who saved kuwait from Saddam ? Wasn't it USA while the muslim countries were silente ?
Who liberated Iraq from the dictator and the mass murderer ? Wasn't it USA ?
Who will save, again, the world from Iran nuclear threat ? USA .
Islam have brought nothing to human kind but destruction and wars .

By the way before posting stupid remaks, learn the history of human kind .
The nukes on Japan were necessary to save lives .
More then one million american soldiers were estimated to fall while taking japan,
imagine the number of japaness soliders and civilians that were gonna die
trying to protect their home land . So humanity payed with ~300,000 lives
and saved more then 2 millions . Somethings are hard to do but need to be done .

I wounder how can you be certain that mohammed was a moral man
and that the qu`ran was not corrupted ( things that happend before 1400 years )
if you dont know what happened before 50-60 years ?

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

I would like to point out something about Islam which I have noticed recently. Well, muslims like any other members of other religions also commit logical fallacies regularly whenever they argue. One of such arguments which is used alot here is (sadly): "Islam is the fastest growing religion - implying islam is the best religion or somehow because is the fastest growing religion it must possess some truth to it."

Also, in recent news some (a lot) of muslims have been involved in violent protests because of drawings or because of what someone said about islam.

So, the points I would like to make are these:

1. Muslims claim that Islam is a religion of peace, and any acts of terrorism(or violence) cannot be attributed to islam but to religious extremists that don't know what islam means.

But the fact that alot of muslims have been rioting in Europe, in England, there's Al Qaeda, any many other violent groups -- which would count as alot of members of islam even though islam thinks down upon them.

So, if muslims say they have a large religion, they shouldn't forget that a part of that large population we have are these extremists which cause violence around the world. So... would Islam be a fast growing religion without these violent extremists? (Just a question to discuss on, I am not trying to bash Islam)


2. If the riots are justifiend; and if the muslims causing the riots in Europe condem terrorism, I think they are wasting their energies by rioting against drawings and what people say about Islam. If the riots are for a good cause and are justified, why doesn't Islam cause riots and violence against terrorists?

Hello Osiris...

This is a message from "MARS" (smile) since you are Osiris . . .

I, too, have noticed something about the MOSELM people... they can't take a joke!!

WE CATHOLICS/christians have to put-up with the "practical" jokes of others, (which aren't so practical) as those expressed, especially, in ARTWORK, these days... and we don't KILL/murder people for it or burn flags as THEY (the Moselm people do)do!!

~Here's a joke from them (and I don't think I like it).
~As THEY translate THEIR name in the English language, from their langage into ours:

Islam is spelt: I Slam as in I Slam DUNK!!​

Give it some thought and I'll get back to you later.

 

[Fares]

ROLF . Damn I never saw that . . Creative .
For the muslims that got angry, its just a joke .
. No need to riot or burn embassies .

 

[Adeeb]

its all good. it was a very corny and unfunny joke but hey if you guys find this pointless humor funny, then laugh all you want.

 

[elijah115]

i didnt find it funny

 

[Osiris]

seems that 100% of all the people that replied did not understand that question.

 

[Kris_J]

2. If the riots are justifiend; and if the muslims causing the riots in Europe condem terrorism, I think they are wasting their energies by rioting against drawings and what people say about Islam. If the riots are for a good cause and are justified, why doesn't Islam cause riots and violence against terrorists?

Rioting is not the result of an intellectual process. Its an emotional outburst & they seek to strike out first before finding an friendlier course of action. usually its people who feel oppressed from other's previous "offenses" that festers & explodes into hateful responses.

 

[Exegete12]

Rioting is not the result of an intellectual process. Its an emotional outburst & they seek to strike out first before finding an friendlier course of action. usually its people who feel oppressed from other's previous "offenses" that festers & explodes into hateful responses.

The thing is vengeance is turning in on to them. Many of the rioters are getting killed, they are destroying buildings in their own countries, and ... Maybe they will wake up and see this, once there anger subsides.
P.S. I didn't get the job on I Slam Dunk (I know it's a basketball term) – but is it good or bad, I'm not American. I hope no one is starting to insult people again. Read my post again people!

 

[bless_sins]

I supposed it doesnt matter that america only ever used their nukes during WW2? they used it during peace time?

Taking your logic back to Muslim countries.

Muslims only blow themselves up when under foreign occupation. They rarely blow themselves up when given thier freedom.

If America only nukes innocent civilians in war time, Muslims only blow themselves up when under foreign occupation (this rule holds true 95% of the time).

 

[bless_sins]

Did you go to school ?
America saved Islam from Hitler .
After Hitler would have finnished with the jews and slaves, you were next on his list .

We defeated the Crusaders who set out to destroy Islam, all on our own.

We (Muslims) defeated the massive armies of the Mongols ravaging through the Muslim world at the battle of Ain Jalut - again, all on thier own.

We could defeat the Nazi monsters too.

Interesting that, when Algieria was "liberated" from the nazis and given to the French, Muslims had to fight another war, (aka "Algerian War of Independence") to get their freedom. In this war 1 million Muslim were killed, (after they were "liberated").

Who saved the muslims in yougoslavia ? Atheist, christians, infideles, Nato

Correct, I agree. Nato athiests saved us from a genocide committed by Europeans (Christians).

Who saved kuwait from Saddam ? Wasn't it USA while the muslim countries were silente ?

No Muslim coutnry was silent. All Muslims joined the war to liberate Kuwait.

BTW, whose ally was Saddam anyways???
Was Saddam not used by America to crush Islamic fundamentalism in Iran???

The IRaqi war lasted days, and mainly a show off. (If it wasn't, why was Iraq not invaded, err- "liberated", there and then).

Who liberated Iraq from the dictator and the mass murderer ? Wasn't it USA ?

You mean invaded Iraq to steal their oil.

Who will save, again, the world from Iran nuclear threat ? USA .

Russia having nukes is not a threat.
China having nukes is not a threat.
India + PAkistan having nukes is not a threat (both have fought bloody wars).
Britain having nukes is not a threat.

The U.S. (only country to slaughter civilians with nukes), having nukes is not a threat.

Only Iran is threat.

Excelltent logic.

Islam have brought nothing to human kind but destruction and wars .

The world's bloodiest war (WWII)was fought mainly by Westerners.
Nukes (agaisnt civilians) have only been used when the West is in a conflict.

 

[bless_sins]

Hello Osiris...

This is a message from "MARS" (smile) since you are Osiris . . .

I, too, have noticed something about the MOSELM people... they can't take a joke!!

WE CATHOLICS/christians have to put-up with the "practical" jokes of others, (which aren't so practical) as those expressed, especially, in ARTWORK, these days... and we don't KILL/murder people for it or burn flags as THEY (the Moselm people do)do!!

~Here's a joke from them (and I don't think I like it).
~As THEY translate THEIR name in the English language, from their langage into ours:

Islam is spelt: I Slam as in I Slam DUNK!!​

Give it some thought and I'll get back to you later.

I don't know if you care or not but...

Muslims preferred to be referred as Muslims not "Moslems", just like the Quran is NOT called the "Koran" anymore.

These words were ivnented wwhen Europe was under the belief that everyone but themselves are savages.
With new perspectives come new words.

 

[Kris_J]

I don't know if you care or not but...

Muslims preferred to be referred as Muslims not "Moslems", just like the Quran is NOT called the "Koran" anymore.

These words were ivnented wwhen Europe was under the belief that everyone but themselves are savages.
With new perspectives come new words.

So do arabs still like their region to be called the "middle east"?

 

[bless_sins]

I am not an Arab and can't speak on thier behalf.

But appraently, their is not much protest against that name.

Besides, because of Israels' location in the region, the Westerners don't really abuse the term, so there is no reason for bieng mad.

 

[Kris_J]

I am not an Arab and can't speak on thier behalf.

But appraently, their is not much protest against that name.

And Anglicising Islamic terms is a point of protest?

Besides, because of Israels' location in the region, the Westerners don't really abuse the term, so there is no reason for bieng mad.

Hahaha.. Its like saying because China is in the region of the "far east" westerners don't abuse the term.

are you so green eyed over your israeli cousins?

 

[symbolic_agony]

you seem to have been portrayed that jews are these monsters that get into tanks and just target muslim children.

No, of course not. I'm specifically talking about the ones in Gaza who roll in with their tanks and actually perpetrate the actions I described. Not all jews are violent and oppressive people just like not all muslims are dangerous killers. DO yourself a favor and take a moment and actually THINK about that point.

but this topic is not about jews.... bringing jews into the topic is this red herring fallacy that I mentioned before.

It's not about jews. My response was limited to what I quoted, which I directly addressed. If you go read the portion of your statement that I quoted, you'd understand why I responded the way I did.

You basically said what muslims are the aggressors and use terrorist actions such has bombing buses, trains...etc. If its not self-defense, I'm presuming that the people they are fighting are innocent victims? Israel does nothing to either provoke or instigate the violence? Every action has a cause and if you took a moment and actually looked at this situation with unbiased eyes, maybe you'd see the double standard here.

It's not a red herring. I'm trying to make a point. Ya'll basically define and limit terrorism to only muslims. As if the person responsible for the Okalahoma City bombing was muslim... Oh wait, that's exactly what the government assumed when the attack first happened. It must have shocked them to no end when it turned out to be a white american Christian responsible for killing all those innocent children.

and whether that's terrorism, it is not relevant... I hope that I get my point accross.

Of course its relevant. Who are the muslims fighting? An invisble ghost? No, they're fighting the jews primarily. America has always sided with Israel and got caught in the crossfire. I'm not justifying the actions of violent muslims. I just wish people would employ some fairness and objectivity when talking about the matter. You have done neither.

islam is a religion of peace... therefore, islam condems terrorism, even terrorism committed by its members.

Well that's just it... most of the violence is considered SELF-DEFENCE. That is what I was responding to in my original post. Your notion that every violent action coming from the muslim side is not considered self-defense.--That is ridiculous. But you fail to see the fact that these people are oppressed and transgressed against every second of the day for the past 50 years by Israel and its allies.

muslims terrorists constantly commit haram, therefore they are not real muslims.

Let me clarify soemthing: Even muslims who are sinful WILL go to hell. Is there no such thing as bad Christians? Also, the proportion of people who are involved in terrorism isn't even 0.0001% of the total muslim population. You need to get alittle perspective on what we're dealing with when it comes to Islam.

so, if islam is considered to be a fast growing religion, but at the same time it is countint these muslims that commit haram... could islam really be considered a fast growing religion?

They are STILL muslims, only they commit SIN. They can repent and whatever happens to them is up to God and what he decides. You need to try and get your head around that fact. You commit a violent crime, you will be PUNISHED. It doesn't mean you're not muslim anymore. Who gave you that idiotic idea anyway? Please tell you didn't think it up all on your own. Eh. LMAO

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. You need to accept that or get over it.

answering this question with: "well, the jews or americans do this..." does not answer the question, it is changing the topic!

My response that involved jews had nothing to do with answering your question. I was replying to the specific statement I quoted. I don't need to change the topic in order to give a sufficient response.