Discussion on Islam

[Kris_J]

Like i said Muslims are not asking the West to adopt Islam, just respect our right to enjoy a relationship with Allah and his Prophet unencumbered by gratuitous and malicious insults.

If people in the West do not want to take their relationship with God so seriously, then that is their business...just don't expect Muslims to follow.

Its a simple message (available in the original and audio: http://thetruereligion.org/modules/Quran/index.php?op=viewayat&surano=109):

salaams

Nobody said that Muslims are expected follow & draw their own cartoons of Muhammed....
Unless that is what you are afraid of - Muslims being as critical of Muhammed as non-Muslims are free to do.

 

[muslim_convert]

Nobody said that Muslims are expected follow & draw their own cartoons of Muhammed....
Unless that is what you are afraid of - Muslims being as critical of Muhammed as non-Muslims are free to do.

Let me continue on my previous theme.

The devotion to materistic endeavours is at the expense, and not in the way of, the Sacred.

By the Sacred i mean a committment to doing what is right and forbidding what is wrong irrespective of personal consequences.

For Muslims this commitment to the Sacred is built upon our relationship with Allah, His Qur'an and His Messenger.

The relationship strengthens as one attends to ones prayers, recites and memorises more of the Qur'aan, gives in Charity, sits quitely at night is remembrance of Allah, undertakes the Hajj and so on....and doing so in an endeavour to honour our Creator.

Its fruits are a cure for the diseases of the heart, such a greed, jealously, backbiting, arrogance and so on.

You will not learn these things about Islam on a forum like this because it is regarded as promoting another religion and quickly deleted.

But this is what many people in the West are being called upon to destroy under the pretext that the strength of our relationship with Allah is a threat to their "way of life".

This is the context in which i see the cartoons mocking and slandering the character of the Prophet and the enormous amount of disinformation floating around on the net and on TV set.


salaams

 

[Kris_J]

Just to add:

the devotion to materistic endeavours is at the expense, and not in the way of, the Sacred.

By the Sacred i mean a committment to doing what is right and forbidding what is wrong irrespective of personal consequences.

For Muslims this commitment to the Sacred is built upon our relationship with Allah, His Qur'an and His Messenger.

The relationship strengthens as one attends to ones prayers, recites and memorises more of the Qur'aan, gives in Charity, sits quitely at night is remembrance of Allah, undertakes the Hajj and so on....and doing so in an endeavour to honour our Creator.

Its fruits are a cure for the diseases of the heart, such a greed, jealously, backbiting, arrogance and so on.

You will not learn these things about Islam on a forum like this because it is regarded as promoting another religion and quickly deleted.

But this is what many people in the West are being called upon to destroy under the pretext that the strength of our relationship with Allah is a threat to their "way of life".

This is the context in which i see the cartoons mocking and slandering the character of the Prophet and the enormous amount of disinformation floating around on the net and on TV set.


salaams

Then you'd best switch your computer off if you don't want to read about how Muhammed may be considered a paedophile for having sex with a 9yo.

 

[muslim_convert]

Then you'd best switch your computer off if you don't want to read about how Muhammed may be considered a paedophile for having sex with a 9yo.

The actions of the newspaper editors and politicians in fact do make Muslims reflect seriously about their relationship with Allah and why others find it such a threat.

Such episodes provide an opportunity for us to assess the strength of our relationship with the Sacred, our weaknesses and to seek improvement in our character through a strengthening this relationship.

we do so with guidance from the Qur'aan and the practical example of the Prophet as well as the eminant scholars who have contributed to the science of the purification of the heart.

It also make us, at least in the company i keep, ponder why there are people like yourself who feel so compelled to continually ignore the truth and impose your views through slander and insults, if not guns an tanks.

Only Allah knows..

...i just count my blessings that i seek refuge in Allah from the evil of this world.

salaams

 

[Kris_J]

The actions of the newspaper editors and politicians in fact do make Muslims reflect seriously about their relationship with Allah and why others find it such a threat.
Such episodes provide an opportunity for us to assess the strength of our relationship with the Sacred, our weaknesses and to seek improvement in our character through a strengthening this relationship.

we do so with guidance from the Qur'aan and the practical example of the Prophet as well as the eminant scholars who have contributed to the science of the purification of the heart.

Did you not see the cartoon with suicide bombers running to heaven that has run out of virgins? Its pretty obvious the non-Muslim world is afraid of the poorly taught & dangerous Muslim extremists. Muslims should ensure that they keep a tight reign on what their fellow Muslims are preaching to the disgruntled Muslims.

It also make us, at least in the company i keep, ponder why there are people like yourself who feel so compelled to continually ignore the truth and impose your views through slander and insults, if not guns an tanks.

Only Allah knows..

...i just count my blessings that i seek refuge in Allah from the evil of this world.

salaams

I don't have any guns or tanks - maybe you do?

 

[elijah115]

You said :

"By the Sacred i mean a committment to doing what is right and forbidding what is wrong irrespective of personal consequences."


My reply:

I don't see Muslims forbidding WRONG irrespective of personal consequences, or commending even the blatantly right things. I see hypocrisy.

You said:

"But this is what many people in the West are being called upon to destroy under the pretext that the strength of our relationship with Allah is a threat to their "way of life"."

My response:

In my view, you're living in a bubble. I don't see your way of life as a threat. I see the global Muslim silence over extremists as a threat - not spiritual but physical threat. The 5 Pillars won't make you righteous if your don't fix your heart first. Is praying 5 times a day what makes you servant of God, or loving all your neighbours?

 

[elijah115]

muslim_convert


You said:

It also make us, at least in the company i keep, ponder why there are people like yourself who feel so compelled to continually ignore the truth


What truth are they ignoring?

 

[Fares]

That mohammed is not a pedophile, not a mass murderer but a moral man . That the Bible is corrupted . Jesus is not son of God . the Trinity is a dream . Islam is a peace religion . Qu`ran is not corrupted . Jesus and Abraham are muslims .

You know this truth .

 

[elijah115]

Lol - Yes - that [sarcasm]we log off and then discuss how we lied today[/sarcasm]

 

[bless_sins]

my local church alone has over 60 nationalities, are you still interested in the diversity of the Vatican?

I never meant to criticize vatican, or doubt christianity's diversity.

WHat I meant to say is that in Mecca, you will find whole communities. You will find a Pakistani/Indian community, an Indinesian community, a Turkish community, a Somali community etc....
All these communities have their own restaurants, shops etc..

 

[bless_sins]

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You said :
In my view, you're living in a bubble. I don't see your way of life as a threat. I see the global Muslim silence over extremists as a threat - not spiritual but physical threat. The 5 Pillars won't make you righteous if your don't fix your heart first. Is praying 5 times a day what makes you servant of God, or loving all your neighbours?

Almost all Muslims understand and believe that what extremists are doing is worng and agianst our religion.

However, we also know that extremists are doing what fundamenalists and moderates couldn't - speak out agianst injustice.

When Palestinians blow themselves up, they are absolutely wrong in doing so. But then again, how else can resist the brutal Israeli occupation?

Also, the causes of extremism are well known in the West.
1. Poverty (caused by debt repayments and economic injustice)
2. Continued warfare (Soivet invasion, Israeli occupation, American invasion)
3. Cultural Imperialism (Mulsim losing their traditional way of life)

This is one reason why a western expert predicted the creation of another Usama Bin Laden because of the war in Iraq.

 

[elijah115]

1. the words "community" suggest seggregation.

2. can you explain how Canada prevents you from practising the 5 pillars?

 

[linchen]

According to the experts, the aim of OBL is to expel Western forces from Arab/Muslim lands.

Am I wrong when I say that OBL likes Western money?
Why Arab nations don't take care of the needs of their muslims...brothers?

 

[Fares]

When Palestinians blow themselves up, they are absolutely wrong in doing so. But then again, how else can resist the brutal Israeli occupation?

Why Christian Palestinians dont blow themselves ?
Only Muslim Palestinians to that .
Its because your religion uses violence .

 

[bless_sins]

Why Christian Palestinians dont blow themselves ?
Only Muslim Palestinians to that .
Its because your religion uses violence .

I am shocked by your faulty logic.
Why don't Christians blow themselves up?
Many reasons.
First, Christians are a minority and are not treated as poorly. Israel know that mistreating Christians, would jeapordize its realtions with the West.
Therefore, most (if not all) of the civilian targets (e.g. children shot) are Muslims, not Christians.

Secondly, Muslim Palestinians get help from others. Just like UBL, Hamas and other groups manage to get funds.

Which Christian nation is bold enough to stand up for the rights of its people, (esp. against Israel)????
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However, let's apply your faulty logic to America (Christian majority).
Say, America is the only country that has used nukes to kill innocent civilians.
Muslim, Communist, Hindu countries have had nuclear weapons, but they have never misused them.
Does that mean that Christianity teaches to kill innocents??

 

[Adeeb]

I am shocked by your faulty logic.
Why don't Christians blow themselves up?
Many reasons.
First, Christians are a minority and are not treated as poorly. Israel know that mistreating Christians, would jeapordize its realtions with the West.
Therefore, most (if not all) of the civilian targets (e.g. children shot) are Muslims, not Christians.

Secondly, Muslim Palestinians get help from others. Just like UBL, Hamas and other groups manage to get funds.

Which Christian nation is bold enough to stand up for the rights of its people, (esp. against Israel)????
------
However, let's apply your faulty logic to America (Christian majority).
Say, America is the only country that has used nukes to kill innocent civilians.
Muslim, Communist, Hindu countries have had nuclear weapons, but they have never misused them.
Does that mean that Christianity teaches to kill innocents??

Don't be surprised by his faulty logic, this person is full of blind hate and refuses to accept anything postitive about Islam no matter how obvious it seems.

 

[Kris_J]

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Almost all Muslims understand and believe that what extremists are doing is worng and agianst our religion.

However, we also know that extremists are doing what fundamenalists and moderates couldn't - speak out agianst injustice.

When Palestinians blow themselves up, they are absolutely wrong in doing so. But then again, how else can resist the brutal Israeli occupation?

Also, the causes of extremism are well known in the West.
1. Poverty (caused by debt repayments and economic injustice)
2. Continued warfare (Soivet invasion, Israeli occupation, American invasion)
3. Cultural Imperialism (Mulsim losing their traditional way of life)

This is one reason why a western expert predicted the creation of another Usama Bin Laden because of the war in Iraq.

Does Islam teach you to sympathise with those who fight evil with evil?

 

[elijah115]

I am shocked by your faulty logic.
Why don't Christians blow themselves up?
Many reasons.
First, Christians are a minority and are not treated as poorly. Israel know that mistreating Christians, would jeapordize its realtions with the West.
Therefore, most (if not all) of the civilian targets (e.g. children shot) are Muslims, not Christians.

Secondly, Muslim Palestinians get help from others. Just like UBL, Hamas and other groups manage to get funds.

Which Christian nation is bold enough to stand up for the rights of its people, (esp. against Israel)????
------
However, let's apply your faulty logic to America (Christian majority).
Say, America is the only country that has used nukes to kill innocent civilians.
Muslim, Communist, Hindu countries have had nuclear weapons, but they have never misused them.
Does that mean that Christianity teaches to kill innocents??

I supposed it doesnt matter that america only ever used their nukes during WW2? they used it during peace time?

 

[Exegete12]

The west is culturally critical of anything religious.

I agree, if you tell most European people you're a Christian, they think something is wrong with you. Most westerners are irreligious and will behave that way. They don't just mock Muslims, they mock Jews, Christians ... in fact anyone who has a religious belief. The only thing they don't mock is the occult or new age religious movements. Most British people, Aussies, New Zealanders, etc follow horoscopes. This is expressly forbidden by the old testament.

 

[Exegete12]

Am I wrong when I say that OBL likes Western money?
Why Arab nations don't take care of the needs of their muslims...brothers?

Yeah I agree, rich Arab nations do not seem to help their poor Islamic brothers.
And just recently Oman has signed an oil deal with Denmark. About two days ago, I think from memory. MONEY talks all the time. You see, as I keep saying, the God of this world is the love of MONEY. I can sometimes understand why Osama bin laden got so frustrated with his countrymen, because he saw the wealth of his country, and the sheer poverty of Afghanistan. It is a shame his energies were diverted to the wrong causes. Maybe we should all start praying for his salvation! Any thing is possible with God.... now there's a miracle in the making.