Discontinue Cross as Christian Symbol?

[Oblio]

In the Greek mind and society, “christos” was something a physician or pharmacist did when he applied herbal ointments or drugs on people who felt they needed manmade cures. The doctor dispensed these drugs out of a plethora of jars he would carry with him in a wooden box marked with the same Rx symbol (the Greek letters Rho Chi), that we find on the doors or our drugstores. The ancient Greek dispensers of these drugs did so under the watchful “Eye of Horus”—the pagan god associated with medicine. I am certain that Yahweh did not intend for men to misrepresent the significance of anointing with drugged.

I suppose next we will hear about how Iesous is derived from Zeus

 

[Melethiel]

The ancient Greek dispensers of these drugs did so under the watchful “Eye of Horus”—the pagan god associated with medicine.

Nope, sorry. Horus was an Egyptian god, and as far as I recall, not associated with medicine. Aescapulus was the Greek god associated with medicine, and his symbol, I believe, was the snake.

he would carry with him in a wooden box marked with the same Rx symbol (the Greek letters Rho Chi)

Funny how "P" is the letter Rho.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Incorrect.

Ahhh, OK. If you say so.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Nope, sorry. Horus was an Egyptian god, and as far as I recall, not associated with medicine. Aescapulus was the Greek god associated with medicine, and his symbol, I believe, was the snake.


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I know the background of Horus and said nothing untrue. Please provide my statement and then what you think to be in err. Meanwhile, do a simple google search with the words " Horus medicine" and you may learn about the medicine connection. Please research your thoughts before posting them.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

And Rx is an accepted medical abbreviation for the Latin word "recipe" meaning "to take".

It has nothing to do with the ChiRho

 

[Melethiel]

I know the background of Horus and said nothing untrue. Please provide my statement and then what you think to be in err. Meanwhile, do a simple google search with the words " Horus medicine" and you may learn about the medicine connection. Please research your thoughts before posting them.

I did and found no credible information. You don't believe everything you find on the internet, do you? Provide some backup for everything you have written here. CREDIBLE backup. That means from an objective source, not any old internet website that google brings up. And for your information, I never make any statements without researching them. Mythology has been a favorite topic of mine since I was 7 years old. I have taken university classes in Ancient Greek medicine, and I can assure you that your connection to the eye of Horus is blatantly incorrect. What credentials do you have to make your assertions? What is your knowledge of Greek and Latin, the symbology of the Christian Church (ie., the canonical explanations of the liturgical forms. Everything has a meaning, up to the colors of the altar cloth), or medical history? From what source did you get your so called history? As I said before, Jack Chick, Dave Hunt, and their ilk are hardly credentialed historians.

Do you by any chance recognize this symbol? It is the symbol of Aescapulus, the Greek god of medicine, the staff with two snakes, and is still used in the medical profession today.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

sorry

 

[YahwehisHisname]

oops I am having problems

 

[YahwehisHisname]

I am not able to provide anything to you here. I am also having to post multiple times as my words just vanish sometimes. Bottom line is, a cursory study of the topic will reveal what I am saying to you. I could provide link after link but I am sure you know that. One day maybe I will be allowed to post links,pictures etc

PS I didn't get any of my info from the links you found with that google search. I did that search after it was questioned to see how easy it would be for you to find out the truth.

 

[Melethiel]

sorry

Far from doing a cursory study of the topic, I have been doing in-depth study on the topic for over a year. Bottom line is, you are making assertions without backing them up by any credible sources. You have already been corrected several times re. the background of symbols such as Rx, the Chi Rho, and many others, and you have refused to answer them directly, continuing to spout your nonsense. Hence, I have no reason to believe that you know what you are talking about. Go study some history from credible sources.

ETA: Oh? Then where did you get your information?

 

[YahwehisHisname]

fine lets slow down and cover them one at a time. Pick one

 

[YahwehisHisname]

why can't I give you links

 

[YahwehisHisname]

www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/chi-rho.html

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Excellent. I guess I can now. Stand by for the Roman chi rho you say you have "corrected"

 

[YahwehisHisname]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labarumhttp:/
/www.chi-rho.com/xp_imp_6.htm
surely, you don't want anymore, do you? A cursory study was all that was needed. There are even pictures of Roman imperial coins with the Chi Rho in one of those links.

 

[Melethiel]

fine lets slow down and cover them one at a time. Pick one

First, let's establish what you know. Do you have any background in Greek or Latin? Do you have any background in liturgical churches? Do you have any background in mythology or medicine?

I would like you to provide backup for your association of the word "Christos", "anointed" with pharmacists. (Also, it is true that the Greeks had a different viewpoint on the meaning of the word "anointed". Duh, different culture! How does that change anything? Languages change over time. I suppose you want us all to hold our services in Hebrew, the one holy language, next!) Second, proof on your eye of Horus nonsense. I have already shown you, in picture, the symbol used by the Ancient Greek medical practitioners, and why, and obviously that symbol is still used today.

Finally, you are blatantly wrong about the origin of the symbol Rx. It is an abbreviation of the Latin word "recipe". Not even Greek, and no connection whatsoever to the Chi Rho.

 

[Melethiel]

www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/chi-rho.html

and within this the symbol of the Saviour's name, two letters indicating the name of Christ by means of the initial letters, the letter 'X' intersection 'P' at the centre." (recorded in the 3rd century by Eusebius Pamphili, Bishop of Cesarea in Palestine)

Since chi and rho are the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ, he understood it was a sign from the Christian God and showed his gratitude by turning his entire empire over to Christianity, making it the state religion.

I rest my case. This is from your own source. Of course the Christian Byzantine empire, set in Constantinople, would use CHRISTIAN symbology on imperial offices. Still don't see any connection with sun worship.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Now, do you want to debate whether the 'RX' symbol which is used by pharmacies and in medicine, has it's origins in the eye of Horus?
Here is a snippet from http://www.histmedindia.org/mytholgy.htm
There are several other sites if you don't like that one. Perhaps you could present why you feel they are not true.

Isis (1500 B.C.) was considered the "Divinity of Medicine" and was a renowned teacher of surgical skill. Horus was the son of Isis and had lost his sight in childhood. Isis prayed to Thoth and her prayers were answered with the restoration of the eyesight of Horus. Since then Horus has been worshipped as the "God of Medicine" and the eye of Horus, has become a symbol of protection of health.
The significance of the symbol Rx dates back to 3000 B.C. It was also supposed to have arisen from the eye of Horus. It was a symbol of durability, strength and beneficence of the medical profession and the Egyptian druggist, and is hence conventionally written at the beginning of all medical prescriptions.

 

[Melethiel]

Since then Horus has been worshipped as the "God of Medicine" and the eye of Horus, has become a symbol of protection of health.

Still no connection to the Chi Rho and the Greek practitioners.

I offer an alternative, more credible view: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rx

Later it changed into ℞ (an uppercase R with its tail crossed), and was used as an abbreviation for the Latin word recipe = "take" (imperative), i.e. an instruction to the pharmacist to take the items listed in order to prepare the medicine. When printing came, it was rendered as "Rx".

 

[Melethiel]

Now, next. IHS on the Eucharistic host. The explanation given by the Church herself is that it stands for Iesous Hrystous Soter. Why should I trust what somebody else says about it over the Church's OWN INTERPRETATION?