Dinosaurs would still be here.

[AV1611VET]

I am not going to pretend I understand science. But what I know that when 'science' contradicts the Word of God, the 'science' is wrong. And that is the application in everything.

Btw science is never wrong, because God created everything, including science and all the laws in the universe. What can be wrong is the way we interpret science, whether intentionally or not.

Good post.

Here are the standards I go by:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

 

[AV1611VET]

The last paragraph REALLY contradicts and invalidates what you're trying to say.

How so?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How so?

If you can't see how, that's not my problem.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you can't see how, that's not my problem.

If God ordained that energy is the equivalent of mass times the speed of light squared, and man says mass is the equivalent of mass times the speed of light, who's wrong? God or man?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If God ordained that energy is the equivalent of mass times the speed of light squared, and man says mass is the equivalent of mass times the speed of light, who's wrong? God or man?

Why would God create a world with 4.5 billion years of history yet make it 6000 years ago?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would God create a world with 4.5 billion years of history yet make it 6000 years ago?

Maturity without history.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Maturity without history.

Why would God create a world with 4.5 billion years of history yet make it 6000 years ago?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would God create a world with 4.5 billion years of history yet make it 6000 years ago?

Good question.

Answer: He didn't.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Good question.

Answer: He didn't.

You and others seem to think he did.

 

[AV1611VET]

You and others seem to think he did.

Maturity without history.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Maturity without history.

Maturity of the earth IS history, as has been explained to you many times before.

But this is off-topic. I suggest you start another challenge thread on it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maturity of the earth IS history,

From Collin's Dictionary;

Maturity is the state of being fully developed or adult.

Notice it is a state of existence.

Adam came into existence:

1. sans baby teeth
2. less bones than a baby
3. different immune system than a baby
4. without cartilaginous kneecaps

 

[dlamberth]

But seriously, why did Mr. Tyson say we wouldn't be here?

Here's how I understand it. Dinosaurs had a way of eating the small mammals that lived back than. That pressure had a way of affecting the evolutionary track of mammals. With the dinosaurs no longer around to devour mammals that changed the pressure on mammals and freed up an explosion of evolution in the animal world. That explosion of evolutionary change allowed 8 or more Human species to evolve some 65 million years later. Today out of that group only Homo Sapiens has survived. None of this, at least in how I understand Tyson, would be possible if the asteroid did not wipe out the dinosaurs and their pressure on the mammals of their time. Some other form may have eventually evolved over time, but not Homo Sapiens.

 

[Chesterton]

Here's how I understand it. Dinosaurs had a way of eating the small mammals that lived back than. That pressure had a way of affecting the evolutionary track of mammals. With the dinosaurs no longer around to devour mammals that changed the pressure on mammals and freed up an explosion of evolution in the animal world. That explosion of evolutionary change allowed 8 or more Human species to evolve some 65 million years later. Today out of that group only Homo Sapiens has survived. None of this, at least in how I understand Tyson, would be possible if the asteroid did not wipe out the dinosaurs and their pressure on the mammals of their time. Some other form may have eventually evolved over time, but not Homo Sapiens.

When I was pondering what he might have said, that was the only thing I could come up with - being "eaten out of existence". But I think that's silly. The big cats of Africa and elsewhere have been eating ungulates for a long, long time, and ungulate populations are doing fine as far as I know.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

The last paragraph REALLY contradicts and invalidates what you're trying to say.

It doesn't contradict anything.

We humans, sometimes get science wrong. That is a fact.
If human science contradicts the Word of God, then we know we are wrong.

You know what the problem with humanity is since Adam and Eve? We rely on ourselves and not on God. And then we cry about how God is bad because He allows evil in this world. Does not seem fair to me.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Ivan, I'd like to share an observation with you here.

Adam LIVED for 930 years.

But he was created as a 20 or 30 year old.

Maybe even 40.

Note that Genesis says he LIVED for 930 years ...

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

For all others, it says how old they were when they died ...

Genesis 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

Genesis 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

Genesis 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

Adam was probably 950 - 970 when he died.

I know Adam was created as an adult, and that he lived for 930 years. I just don't know how to count his age. Can we say that Adam was 0 years old when God created Him? I have no idea. so I just keep saying he was 930 years. Maybe it's right to count it like that, maybe it's wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

I know Adam was created as an adult, and that he lived for 930 years. I just don't know how to count his age.

Me neither.

I don't know how old God created Adam.

Maybe 20, maybe 30, maybe 40.

Can we say that Adam was 0 years old when God created Him?

Absolutely!

Adam was 0 years old existentially.

I have no idea. so I just keep saying he was 930 years. Maybe it's right to count it like that, maybe it's wrong.

Sounds good to me, my friend!

 

[Astrid]

It doesn't contradict anything.

We humans, sometimes get science wrong. That is a fact.
If human science contradicts the Word of God, then we know we are wrong.

You know what the problem with humanity is since Adam and Eve? We rely on ourselves and not on God. And then we cry about how God is bad because He allows evil in this world. Does not seem fair to me.

If you think there’s a word of god saying there really
was a flood, you are wrong.

 

[Astrid]

I know Adam was created as an adult, and that he lived for 930 years. I just don't know how to count his age. Can we say that Adam was 0 years old when God created Him? I have no idea. so I just keep saying he was 930 years. Maybe it's right to count it like that, maybe it's wrong.

You know that’s what a story seems to you to say.

 

[Aaron112]

His age? Well, in 930 years time, he was old enough to play with dinosaurs, to see more life than anyone today , in the last several generations, ever came close to seeing; to learn which fruit of which tree was DEADLY!, he was stronger than any man alive today, or in the last 500 years probably, except maybe for Andre, perhaps ......